Party $400 short - Should I throw this away ?

kirisim · #1 03-03-2005, 04:58 PM

I was raising about half my hands to double the BB, and frequently making a "continuation" bet on the flop. This hand occured shortly after the opponent sat down, so no read yet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

SB ($396)
BB ($178)
UTG ($397.5)
Hero ($382.6)
Button ($75.8)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, SB calls $6, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20, BB folds.

Turn: ($64) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, SB raises to $368 (All-In)

phil_ivey_fan · #2 03-03-2005, 05:05 PM

fold. no read and its not worth it. you've got a weak kicker (if all he has is the other jack), and I bet he filled up w/ that river.

LuvDemNutz · #3 03-03-2005, 05:17 PM

You're only beating a bluff unless you think SB would call raises with J6, J5, J4 or J2.

Unless you've seen him make big bluffs in the past, fold.

kirisim · #4 03-04-2005, 10:35 AM

Well, the reason I posted was in response to Paluka's post. Sometimes these guys are making moves, and you have to call with less than the nuts.

Anyway, I called. He had 9T and was semi-bluffing the OESD. My top-trips-weak-kicker held up.

RevAgain · #5 03-04-2005, 11:48 AM

How can you really consider folding here? It's an obvious weak re-raise representing the jack very badly but knowing that he can't really be called unless the poster does have a jack, and even then he's got outs.

It's much more likely that if he does have the other jack, especially with a high kicker, he just flat calls again or will make a smaller raise. It's just about conceivable he could actually have flopped a set and turned the boat, and is now hoping that he is up against trips and will get called because his raise all-in looks so weak.

Rev

kirisim · #6 03-04-2005, 12:14 PM

Yes, that was my reasoning. It was way too big of a raise. Looked kind of fishy.

Anyway, I was correct to call this time. However, there are many times when I would throw this away, and much of that is player-dependant.

Niwa · #7 03-04-2005, 12:18 PM

Without a read I would fold even though that all-in felt kind of fishy.

fsuplayer · #8 03-04-2005, 12:33 PM

guys, give your thread a little while to develop before giving the result.

no way he plays a big jack like that, it makes no sense at all.

greg nice · #9 03-04-2005, 03:20 PM

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Without a read I would fold even though that all-in felt kind of fishy.

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me too. im just too weak tight. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]