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12-16-2005, 09:26 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
I think there's a reason the best/highest-stakes players on this site are usually under 25. When you're that young (I'm 20), the money doesn't really sink in and you can risk tens of thousands playing some dumb card game. More mature people realize the value of $25k, but for me, I now have all the money I need at the moment and any extra is just gravy. This lets me gamble what non-poker-players would consider a huge amount of money.
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12-16-2005, 10:10 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
I think the shot-taking idea because they're young is a valid point...but don't overlook the likelhood that some of them are just pretty damn good players and are awfully dedicated to learning.
A little luck is helpful to go along with some serious skills and abilities of course. But I think these many of these guys would have made it to where they are sooner or later. The internet allows you to just play SO MANY freaking hands....and, of course, study study study, discuss and learn. I think it's far more than just an issue of luck for many of young talents like Gabe....and I think the ideas he expresses in this post are evidence of that.
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12-16-2005, 10:20 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
There's also the fact that kids have more free time to devote to playing and learning. There are probably lots of 30-year-old+ players who have the talent and ability to become successful high-stakes poker players, but don't have the 1-2 years to devote all their time towards doing it. Kids under 25 have the best opportunity to flourish at poker, and it just happens that there are a good amount of really smart kids under 25 that visit this site. If those guys miss out on poker before reaching 30, I doubt they end up where they are now.
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12-16-2005, 10:39 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
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There's also the fact that kids have more free time to devote to playing and learning. There are probably lots of 30-year-old+ players who have the talent and ability to become successful high-stakes poker players, but don't have the 1-2 years to devote all their time towards doing it. Kids under 25 have the best opportunity to flourish at poker, and it just happens that there are a good amount of really smart kids under 25 that visit this site. If those guys miss out on poker before reaching 30, I doubt they end up where they are now. [/ QUOTE ] this is somewhat true of course for many situations...however, i have all the free-time in the world to devote to poker and I still suck. there are many others out there like me. It still takes a great deal of skill and discipline. Just because you have the time to devote to it doesn't make it easy. Lots of college students have some advantages here....but most college students suck as much (if not moreso) at poker as anyone else.
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12-16-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
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I think there's a reason the best/highest-stakes players on this site are usually under 25. [/ QUOTE ] 1. They have more leisure time to learn the game. 2. They usually have fewer financial responsibilities, so they can commit to building their bankroll instead of paying off debts. 3. They are usually not entrenched in a job, so they can afford to take a chance by playing pro poker. 4. They often learn poker while still in school or right after finishing--they are ripe to learn from book/forum study.
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#7
12-17-2005, 09:23 PM
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Re: 18 Months of poker and what i have learned
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I think there's a reason the best/highest-stakes players on this site are usually under 25. [/ QUOTE ] 1. They have more leisure time to learn the game. 2. They usually have fewer financial responsibilities, so they can commit to building their bankroll instead of paying off debts. 3. They are usually not entrenched in a job, so they can afford to take a chance by playing pro poker. 4. They often learn poker while still in school or right after finishing--they are ripe to learn from book/forum study. [/ QUOTE ] + sample bias. How this information is brought to us is a huge factor. While ggbman may have made this post had he not won at a high level most wont. We are hearing about the select few, out of a sample that we have no idea the size of.
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12-17-2005, 01:11 PM
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if it wasn\'t for 2plus2, my children would be starving
I have also been playing poker for 18 months now, and I found it interesting to compare your progress to mine. I started out playing micro-stakes limit in the summer of '04, losing about half a grand before I decided to quit. But in the back of my mind, I knew that I had to keep playing, that I could beat this wretched game. So I deposited $5o into PP this March and played $25 NL. And I started winning. And winning. So I started moving up in stakes, where I continued to run good. I am the kind of person whose performance suffers when not challenged/stimulated enough, so when I started running bad at $400 NL I started taking shots in the bigger games. As of now I play 5-10 NL and higher, and I'm still running good.
What's funny is that my goal in March was to be a winning player at 100 NL by the end of the year. Never in my wildest dreams did I see myself playing 10-25 against Esfandiari. I would just like to say that there is no way I would be where I am at today without 2plus2. Thank you all.
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#9
12-17-2005, 09:07 PM
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Re: if it wasn\'t for 2plus2, my children would be starving
[ QUOTE ]
I have also been playing poker for 18 months now, and I found it interesting to compare your progress to mine. I started out playing micro-stakes limit in the summer of '04, losing about half a grand before I decided to quit. But in the back of my mind, I knew that I had to keep playing, that I could beat this wretched game. So I deposited $5o into PP this March and played $25 NL. And I started winning. And winning. So I started moving up in stakes, where I continued to run good. I am the kind of person whose performance suffers when not challenged/stimulated enough, so when I started running bad at $400 NL I started taking shots in the bigger games. As of now I play 5-10 NL and higher, and I'm still running good. What's funny is that my goal in March was to be a winning player at 100 NL by the end of the year. Never in my wildest dreams did I see myself playing 10-25 against Esfandiari. I would just like to say that there is no way I would be where I am at today without 2plus2. Thank you all. [/ QUOTE ] I'll set the over under at Valentine's Day, anyone want action?
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#10
12-17-2005, 09:21 PM
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Re: if it wasn\'t for 2plus2, my children would be starving
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I have also been playing poker for 18 months now, and I found it interesting to compare your progress to mine. I started out playing micro-stakes limit in the summer of '04, losing about half a grand before I decided to quit. But in the back of my mind, I knew that I had to keep playing, that I could beat this wretched game. So I deposited $5o into PP this March and played $25 NL. And I started winning. And winning. So I started moving up in stakes, where I continued to run good. I am the kind of person whose performance suffers when not challenged/stimulated enough, so when I started running bad at $400 NL I started taking shots in the bigger games. As of now I play 5-10 NL and higher, and I'm still running good. What's funny is that my goal in March was to be a winning player at 100 NL by the end of the year. Never in my wildest dreams did I see myself playing 10-25 against Esfandiari. I would just like to say that there is no way I would be where I am at today without 2plus2. Thank you all. [/ QUOTE ] I'll set the over under at Valentine's Day, anyone want action? [/ QUOTE ] under
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