OK, these are the hands that may be costing me an extra 2BBs each time

[CardSharpCook]

Ok, standard vs. unknown, I agree. Would you go so far as to say that you would only fold vs. an uber-passive? What about good players with reasonable stats? 17/11/1.8. Still call down? What about donks with stats like 25/8/1? Or how about 35/4/.6?

[B Dids]

"4. When you show strength on the turn instead of the flop, the opponent feels like he is closer to the end of the hand, and so is less likely to dump 2nd/3rd button hands."

I think this is exact opposite in this spot. I think a turn c/r makes it much easier to lay down one pair hands that would just call you down given flop action.

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Ok, standard vs. unknown, I agree. Would you go so far as to say that you would only fold vs. an uber-passive? What about good players with reasonable stats? 17/11/1.8. Still call down? What about donks with stats like 25/8/1? Or how about 35/4/.6?

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Against an Uber passive, this would be an easy fold since were probably drawing dead. Basically If I judge the villain's stats to be passive I will fold, and If I think the villain's stats are Laggish I will call down. If I have no stats on the villain or I am unable to draw a conclusion from reading the villain's stats, then I would call down.

As far as whether you should call down against a 17/11/1.8 or a 25/8/1 or a 35/4/.6, I think there are other posters that are more qualified to answer this since I am not at an expert level in analyzing someone's stats. I would love to here someone chime in on what they would do againt these 3 stat descriptions. In my opinion, all 3 of your stat descriptions look kind of passive to me which would lead me to be inclined to fold top pair if any of these guys 3 bet my turn checkraise.

For anyone else reading this, would you call down against any of these stat descriptions? or is this an easy fold against all 3 opponents?