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Old 07-27-2005, 06:27 AM
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Default World Class Player Reveals Secrets

Hi everybody.

I'm a world class player who has been playing for over 30 years. I've seen it all, believe me. Yet, get this, I've never won a major poker tournament, okay, I don't play in very many, and, this is the important part, I am just over a break even player on line.

Reread that last sentence if you didn't get it the first time. Yes that's right. I'm admitting to one and all that I only make a pittance playing online.

First of all let me say that I average over 100K a year playing around the country in casinos. My best year ever was 560K, and I've had two losing years. They weren't horrible losing years, but I lost just the same. It's a living. Then I broke my ankle and was laid up for a while, so I took the plunge and tried playing online.

At the time 15-30 was the biggest game you could get into, so I played that. I played 30-60 once in a while, but it was a real bear to get a seat. I bought a couple of big monitors and started out playing two games and worked my way up to eight, and settled in at four. Four games at a time was my comfort zone--no more than four I should say, sometimes I only played two.

I got killed playing 15-30. Literally killed. I played no differently than in the casinos, but I just got crushed. So I switched to the 100 and 200 sit'n'gos. I did much better. I started recouping some of my losses, but I still stubbornly kept trying the 15 games with a little bit better success, but no great shakes.

I was enjoying playing at home and decided I would take a year off from the casinos and just concentrate on playing online. I jumped all over the place too. I played everything from .50/1.00 to 30-60. I played in a ton of tournaments, but never made a final table.

At the end of one year I was winning $15,000! What a joke! And it was very hard work! Needless to say I was fried. Completely [censored] fried. I went for all of the bonuses, and I got rakeback, but I just couldn't crack the code. I wasn't alone either. Friends of mine who are excellent players told the same tale as me. I guess we just suck as poker players. I beat the 80, 100 and 150 games year in and year out, but I can't win online. I wonder what my problem is?

The worst players I have ever seen in my life play on the internet and I can't beat them. I play with bad players all the time. I didn't start out in the big games either; I worked my way up the hard way. I'm used to loose, wild games. I know how to play with maniacs. I understand how hand values change. I know how to play the players. What I don't know how to do is win big playing online, and neither do a lot of other "world class players."

I've been lurking here four two or three months I guess and reading here and there. Not many losers on this site. I'd say ninety percent of the posters here are online players and they are all world class as far as I can tell. I've played a lot with David and some with Mason, hell I've played with just about everybody--even Ray Zee in the old days--but I got to tell ya the posters on this site are the best goddamn poker players in existence. They win and win and win and some of them win big! $100 and $200 an hour!

Of course, I don't believe any of it. There might be a couple of big winners, but that's about it. It's just not possible in my opinion to make it big playing online. I just don't see it. Sure you could crack a tourny or two, and I'm sure some have, but that's like winning a lottery anyway.

You see in a casino the bad players come and go, but mostly they go. The bad players contribute to the good players. Online the good players contribute to the bad players! You know what I mean.

Well my hat is off to all of you geniuses who are killing this online golden egg. All of you guys who quit school or quit your job, my hat is off to you too. Hell, in four or five years of grinding it out at four tables at a time you should have a damn nice bankroll built up. You're gonna need it, because you'll be so burnt out by then you won't know which way is sideways.

I quit playing online about four months ago. I just got back from Hawaii for two weeks, and I am pretty much rested up and rarin to go. I'm not going back online; I'm done with that. It's back to the casinos for me, where poker makes sense, you can see your opponent, you can hear what he has to say, and you can actually make some good money.

Who knows, maybe next year I'll give the WSOP a shot, but I've always concentrated on the side games. I wish you people luck in your online adventures, I really do. But just take it from someone who's been around the block a time or two--online poker is a fools folly and the only ones getting rich online are the sites raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars a day.

Oh I've got some more theories and such, but that's enough for now. I wouldn't want to burden my new friends with information overload right out of the shoot.

So in the meantime, don't forget to get your rakeback, your $100 for 700 raked hands bonus and your four big bets per hour. And when you get good and pumped up come on down to the Commerce Casino or head on over to the Bellagio and maybe we'll play a little sumthin. I'll be lookin forward to meetin ya. Have fun.

Ciao
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: World Class Player Reveals Secrets

skimmed most of the post..

but online is MUCH tougher than live games. 4/8 in a casino is about .50/1 online level.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:45 AM
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Default Re: World Class Player Reveals Secrets

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skimmed most of the post..

but online is MUCH tougher than live games. 4/8 in a casino is about .50/1 online level.

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I agree. I don't play in casinos very often but when I do the general standard of play is terrible.
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:16 AM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

I opened a link in this thread earlier and just finished mopping up a trojan horse that resulted (I hope). I see that Mike has now edited the posts to remove the link so i presume this affected other people as well (for those of you who didn't pick it up it seemed to happen after you clicked the link that led (appropriately) to "You are an idiot".

1. Did this happen anyone else?
2. For the more computer savvy out there, was it snough to delete the two entries in the documents and settings folder taht were infected?
3. What did this do? Should i be fixing anything else or changing passwords etc?

Thanks for any help

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Old 07-28-2005, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

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For those of you who didn't pick it up it seemed to happen after you clicked the link that led (appropriately) to "You are an idiot".

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Ohoh.
How did you clean up?
I probably have it too.
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

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For those of you who didn't pick it up it seemed to happen after you clicked the link that led (appropriately) to "You are an idiot".

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Ohoh.
How did you clean up?
I probably have it too.

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Norton Anti Virus picked it up on a file at location "Documents and settings/....[you1]" I followed the instructions on Norton/Symantec's website for getting rid of trojan horses, basically temporarily disable system restore, restart in safe mode, find the infected files, delete said files and delete all temporary internet files ...

The relevnat stuff I think is search documents and settings, including hidden files and folders for files including "you1" as part of the filename and delete them (I found 2), then delete all temporary internet files. I think this does it but I wasn't 100% sure which is why I was asking for help too.

Any help from anyone more knowledgeable who thinks I should be doing something else too would be appreciated.

Good Luck.

Mackas
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

Are you absolutely sure that you got the trojan from that link? I just searched my computer and its clean (so far as I can tell). No "you1" file or anything like that. Furthermore, I was under the impression that albinoblacksheep was relatively reputable. I've seen other people post links to other parts of that website before on these boards (for example, the flash cartoon about posting on internet message boards). This is why I assumed it was fine.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

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Are you absolutely sure that you got the trojan from that link? I just searched my computer and its clean (so far as I can tell). No "you1" file or anything like that. Furthermore, I was under the impression that albinoblacksheep was relatively reputable. I've seen other people post links to other parts of that website before on these boards (for example, the flash cartoon about posting on internet message boards). This is why I assumed it was fine.

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Norton autoprotect (not just a routine scan) picked it up within 30 seconds of opening the link, I was doing nothing else at the time and there was no other avenue of infection that I'm aware of, so I'm pretty sure.

In any event for what its worth I never thought for a second you intended it, given your posting record in the forum. I did not intend in any way to insinuate that. I just wanted to warn other posters and check if I should be doing anything else.

Good Luck

Mackas
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Old 07-28-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: WCP Reveals Secrets - Trojan Horse from link in this thread?

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Are you absolutely sure that you got the trojan from that link? I just searched my computer and its clean (so far as I can tell). No "you1" file or anything like that. Furthermore, I was under the impression that albinoblacksheep was relatively reputable. I've seen other people post links to other parts of that website before on these boards (for example, the flash cartoon about posting on internet message boards). This is why I assumed it was fine.

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Avast noted a trojan as soon as the page came up and blocked the DL. I've since done searches with Avast and AdAware, and one for any file containing 'you1', and all came up empty.

Yes, AlbinoBlackSheep is normally safe. Dunno how this got there, or if it's endemic, or what.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:09 PM
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