question for those who don't support stem cell research:

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Its not America's choice whether or not to let the captive journalist die, since America doesn't negotiate with terrorists regardless.

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This is demonstrably false.

[Zygote]

look at my response to kipbond.

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This is demonstrably false.

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Then demonstrate the last time the US made any concessions to a hostile terrorist making demands under the threat of violence.

Otherwise Shut the Fukk Up (STFU)

[Zygote]

this is quite offtopic and definitely could be a discussion for another thread, but even so, i don't believe what you're saying applies to the topics i've chosen.

Both issues i chose are tied by one foundational concept: sacrificing a little to save a lot. How one decides to settle this issue should dictate how they act in both cases, unless you can present other factors that would make a case unique.

[Darryl_P]

Do you really think the scenario you describe is related in any way to stem cell research?

I personally think the Iraq war is unnecessary, even though I'm ultra-conservative. Conservatism doesn't mean going to war just for the sake of going to war. There has to be a real threat.

You asked a question about values and principles and I answered them by saying that war is justified ONLY if there is imminent danger to national security, and in that case it is not only justified but mandatory. Iraq has never posed a direct threat to the USA IMO and, therefore, going to war with Iraq is wrong. Therefore, pulling troops out is the right thing to do even if no such threat is made.

If you had given an example of a country which actually threatened US national security, though, my answer would have probably been different.

[Zygote]

forget about iraq. the point of my example is that they would sacrifice that one life by not negotiating becuase the americans believe that the beneifts of not negotiating are greater than that one life.

The issue is obviously whether or not the americans are willing to sacrifice a little to save a lot, and many examples show that in the case of war they say yes. However, in the case of stem cell research, i'm curious to why some believe this concept no longer applies.

[Darryl_P]

Are you familiar with the potential human cloning implications of stem cell research? As far as I know, this is one of the major negatives.

[vulturesrow]

Im all for stem cell research. I am not for the harvesting of unborn children for embryonic stem cells.

[Zygote]

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Are you familiar with the potential human cloning implications of stem cell research? As far as I know, this is one of the major negatives.

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no i am not? any info?

[Zygote]

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Im all for stem cell research. I am not for the harvesting of unborn children for embryonic stem cells.

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why?