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07-28-2005, 12:50 PM
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KK Heads Up against a very passive player
Interesting hand I thought from Stars 2/4 6-max.
Opponent I have over 150 hands on. He is to my right and very weak/tight. Preflop raise is 2.5% and he will usually check/fold the flop if he misses. Aggression is around .5. I am dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Weak tight raises and I 3-bet from the small blind. BB folds and Weak tight just calls. Flop comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], heads up. I bet, villian raises, I 3-bet, villian caps. Turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet, villian raises, I fold. Too weak? Is there a better line I should take on the turn/river here? 
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#2
07-28-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
I usually don't fall in line with the "don't ever fold this" crowd. But seriously, don't fold this.
I can't rationalize his stats and his play to you. Maybe his girlfriend played this hand. Maybe he's tired of you raising, maybe he's drunk and/or on tilt. His numbers may not explain how he can play QQ like this; but his numbers also indicate he's not capping a flush draw. It really doesn't make sense for him to play anything this way if he's that passive. There are only a few combos of Aces that beat you here - you know that.
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#3
07-28-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
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Interesting hand I thought from Stars 2/4 6-max. Opponent I have over 150 hands on. He is to my right and very weak/tight. Preflop raise is 2.5% and he will usually check/fold the flop if he misses. Aggression is around .5. I am dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Weak tight raises and I 3-bet from the small blind. BB folds and Weak tight just calls. Flop comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], heads up. I bet, villian raises, I 3-bet, villian caps. Turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet, villian raises, I fold. Too weak? Is there a better line I should take on the turn/river here? [/ QUOTE ] Since he didn't cap flop, I'm going to vote 'yes', too weak. He's still pushing though, so I'd give him credit for a pair of something. I really think AA would cap flop, though. I'd call this raise and check/call river. But I'm pretty weak myself. KO
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#4
07-28-2005, 01:21 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
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Since he didn't cap flop, I'm going to vote 'yes', too weak. [/ QUOTE ] You mean preflop, right?
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#6
07-28-2005, 01:24 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
*grunch*
This does seem rather interesting. I think even someone that weak/tight would still cap aces. So then I thought AK or AQ of [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but with that low an agression would he really bet a draw. But if he slowed down preflop you'd think he wouldn't keep pushing on the flop unless he hit. I think I call it down.
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#7
07-28-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
Strange hand. With a low PFR, it looks like a group 1 hand. But then he goes wild on this flop and you wonder just what the heck he could have connected with. (His stats don't make it seem likely that he's jamming a draw.)
Is your super weak-tight read based just on stats, or do you have some solid observations? If it's just stats, I might call down after the flop just to see what he has.
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#8
07-28-2005, 01:34 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
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I don't think I can convince myself that he doesn't have QQ, JJ or TT here (especially with a ) so I'm calling down. [/ QUOTE ] My thought was that in a weak tight's mind, the flush draw completing on the turn and the strength I showed up to this point that he would call down with anything less than AA. His turn raise says that he's not afraid of what I have. 8.5BB in the pot so I need to be ahead (and potentially dodge the flush) around 20% of the time to justify calling down. Also around 20% of the time a 4th flush card will come putting me behind any of those one diamond pocket pairs, so I actually need to be ahead a little more often to make calling down correct. Just didn't think I was ahead that often here.
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#9
07-28-2005, 01:35 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
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Is your super weak-tight read based just on stats, or do you have some solid observations? If it's just stats, I might call down after the flop just to see what he has. [/ QUOTE ] Observations as well. I have almost never seen him play back postflop.
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#10
07-28-2005, 01:39 PM
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Re: KK Heads Up against a very passive player
After the villian caps on the flop I think I would go into check call mode. The only thing I could think of the villian having is the AK diamonds. It does not match his numbers but this is a really great flop for AKd and he could be feeling frisky. Aces with the A of diamonds seems a little two aggressive for the player you described. But I would call down because there could be a chance of an over pair other then aces. What about the other two kings? I kind of like that idea.
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