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12-22-2005, 10:01 PM
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Re: Civil War arguments
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If rights are not synonymous with abilities, then what ARE they? You may not use a protractor to answer this question. [/ QUOTE ] A right is something a person enjoys without the coercion of others. Self-ownership is a right. Property derived from labor or homesteading is a right. Consensual, voluntary exchange is a right. These are all natural. "Man has the right to exert force if he is more powerful than another man." This is what you are saying. Logically expand from there and see where you end up. 
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12-22-2005, 10:08 PM
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Re: Civil War arguments
Anybody can exert force without being coerced into doing so.
So by your definition, is killing a right? If it is not, can't any act of force be declared a right because of self-defense, national security, etc?
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12-22-2005, 10:11 PM
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Re: Civil War arguments
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Anybody can exert force without being coerced into doing so. So by your definition, is killing a right? If it is not, can't any act of force be declared a right because of self-defense, national security, etc? [/ QUOTE ] The acceptable use of force is in defense of one's property (life, autonomy, possesions).
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12-22-2005, 10:22 PM
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Re: Civil War arguments
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The acceptable use of force is in defense of one's property (life, autonomy, possesions). [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. Now, the confederacy took the Union's property by taking its territory. How is it that the Union was not defending its property?
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12-23-2005, 01:00 AM
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Re: Civil War arguments
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[ QUOTE ] The acceptable use of force is in defense of one's property (life, autonomy, possesions). [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. Now, the confederacy took the Union's property by taking its territory. How is it that the Union was not defending its property? [/ QUOTE ] The Union is not an individual. It has no rights. You speak of nations as if they are actors that can actually make decisions. I really hope that you concede this logic. Because if you don't, you are essentially saying that that the government has the right to confinscate everyone's land. Hey, it's their territory, everyone else is just trespassing.
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12-23-2005, 01:13 AM
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Re: Civil War arguments
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The Union is not one person, it is many people. Are you saying they didn't have rights because they were a group rather than one person? [/ QUOTE ] The individuals have rights. The government doesn't. It's that simple.
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