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Old 12-28-2005, 01:09 AM
EvanJC EvanJC is offline
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this 2+2er hates it for sure
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:28 AM
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Given your position and the opponents it looks fine to me.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:55 AM
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cap > call > don't fold
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:39 AM
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I like the fold. Being caught OOP with your unsuited slick is hardly ideal to me against those stats. If it's suited i cap, and button with AKo is obvious.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:45 AM
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I did a little reasearch with AKo being OOP vs a raise and reraise. The results are not good. Usually at least one has a pair and one has your ace. Best result is if the other players have AQ and AK and you can get them to fold or if they have QQ or JJ. Your outs are good and I think it would make an eaiser play post flop.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:23 AM
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Call. It's pretty easy IMO.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:12 AM
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I've done this before when I had good reads on opponents, as you have here. I really don't know if it is right or wrong, but the few times I have done it I was very pleased. I will readily admit, I'm being results oriented for those few times. I'd say the frequency of this happening is in the range of < 1% so you can't be giving up too much.

If you were going to play it, a few people said call over cap...I like that line, too. It doesn't look like you will win UI, so give it call and re-eval on the flop. I guess the question is, is the deception of your hand > taking control of the hand where you will probably auto-bet the flop (improved or not) and then get raised?
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:50 AM
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[ QUOTE ]
UTG is 20/12/2.8 after 1500 hands.
CO is 26/16/2.1 after 4300 hands.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero folds.

Anyone have a problem?

[/ QUOTE ]

If UTG had a pfr of 16, and the three better had a pfr of 12- then i have folded in this situation. Otherwise i think its a playble hand. It will def require some skill postflop though.

Haven't i seen you at 10/20 our house?
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:09 PM
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As everyone knows, I folded like a sissy. Knowing their hands, the fold was good.

UTG capped and also had AKo. CO had 66 (believe it or not).

Flop came Qxx, turn x, river A. UTG won and, assuming I made it to the river, my hand was good for 1/2.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:47 PM
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Further evidence that the PFR stat is somewhat overrated. For one, it doesn't account for 3-betting standards, because some 20 PFR guys will open with KJo and 3-bet anyone with it, some will tighten up considerably. For two, it doesn't mean they only raise top hands.

The fact that CO is 3-betting as low as 66 against an UTG raise makes your fold pretty crappy.
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