Assessment - Page 3

kurosh · #1 11-14-2005, 05:00 AM

I need to post this to feel better. I had 400BB for 3/6, then this:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls $1.50 (All-In), UTG calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 7s 8d (high card, king).
UTG has Ks Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Js Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins 17.75 BB. 

villain is crazy aggro

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Ad (one pair, kings).
Button has 5d Qd (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 14.50 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Ad (one pair, kings).
UTG has Ah 9s (straight, ten high).
Outcome: UTG wins 14.50 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Jd Th (straight, ace high).
Hero has Ah Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: SB wins 14 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Qh 8c (straight, king high).
Hero has 9s 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: SB wins 8 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 2s 5s (straight, six high).
Hero has Kc Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: UTG wins 7.66 BB. 

That was the worst of it... 400 hands -12.40BB/100. At least now I'm more confident I'm running bad and not a losing player. Back to 2/4.

lighterjobs · #2 11-10-2005, 02:52 PM

are you only playing shorthanded?

if you are going to eight-table you probably need to play full ring. if you only have $1200 don't play any higher than 1/2. 600 bb's for 6-8 tables should be plenty if you don't go on crazy tilt. don't get in a rush to try and win back lost money. I think patience is the most important thing here.

ZeeJustin · #3 11-12-2005, 03:17 AM

Low variance is crucial for bankroll rebuilding. Stay away from MTT's. I'd probably play only SNGs if I had to rebuild. They seem to be the lowest variance available.

#4 11-12-2005, 12:31 PM

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Low variance is crucial for bankroll rebuilding. Stay away from MTT's. I'd probably play only SNGs if I had to rebuild. They seem to be the lowest variance available.

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I am very new to poker and I thought LHE had less variance than no limit or SNGs... are SNGs the lowest variance? Thanks

Greg J · #5 11-12-2005, 02:47 PM

I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, variance in hold em goes something like this:

Multi table tournies >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>> Limit HE >>> NLHE > SnGs

If this is any way inaccurate someone will (and should) come behind and correct me.

MicroBob · #6 11-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Yeah...that's pretty much my understanding as well.

you can also obviously toss-in a:

Heads-up limit > 6-max limit > full-ring limit

lehighguy · #7 11-14-2005, 03:27 AM

I've played SNGs and they have the highest variance except for MTTs. You can read threads about it in the SnG forum.

Greg J · #8 11-14-2005, 11:43 AM

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I've played SNGs and they have the highest variance except for MTTs. You can read threads about it in the SnG forum.

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Wow I'm very surprised by this. You sure?

pzhon · #9 11-19-2005, 11:48 AM

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I've played SNGs and they have the highest variance except for MTTs. You can read threads about it in the SnG forum.

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Most of those threads are filled with ignorance. People whine about variance in SNGs even when it is significantly lower than the variance they would experience in limit ring games.

Of course, if your ROI/win rate is low, then you will experience larger swings. This is true if you are a marginal winner in any form of poker. It is behind the constant assertions that the variance is huge in 6-max games despite contradictory evidence from PokerTracker.

Many 1TT forum regulars play on Party, where the rapid blind increases decrease the advantage of winning players but shorten the tournaments, and they have adopted marginally winning styles they can execute while playing 8+ tables. These choices increase the sizes of swings, but they are not universal. For me, SNGs have about the same variance as NLHE, and significantly less than LHE.

ThaHero · #10 11-14-2005, 07:49 PM

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I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, variance in hold em goes something like this:

Multi table tournies >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>> Limit HE >>> NLHE > SnGs

If this is any way inaccurate someone will (and should) come behind and correct me.

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Of course, variance changes depending on your skill, and which games you're better at.

I'm still trying to figure out how I dropped 30 buy-ins at the $11 SNGs but I'm beating 25NL like a drum.