*Official* Star Wars III thread

[Shakezula]

I agree. Yoda: "Always two there are, no more no less", or something like that (in episode I)

To have an apprentice is to have someone completely devoted to you and to serve without question. Someone who reinforces the Master's power by being submissive, and without power to act against the Master, at least openly or directly. The Master has to be poisoned by food (see "Kill Bill Vol.II") or killed in his sleep, as Sidious did to Plag. The Master "knows the weaknesses as well as the strengths" of the student or apprentice.

Seems like Sidious def. wanted Dooku out of the way. He tried to reason to Ani that Dooku needed to be killed, then finally spoke the words (or gave Ani the command?) "Kill him", in his dark voice, after Dooku looks back with surprise at Palp. Betrayed in the end. Dooku followed all the commands his Master gave him, did all the "grunt-work". There was nothing else his Master needed him to do... except die.

[kenberman]

in the 'old days', Jedi were trained as youngsters, and there was even doubt that Anakin was too old to begin training in Episode I. So why did OB1 wait until Luke was a teenager to begin training him?

[StevieG]

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-It had to be [censored] Chewbacca that helped Yoda escape, didn't it? Lucas just wouldn't be able to sleep at night if he didn't make one of the two Wookies - on a planet inhabited by millions of them! - the same one who helps to blow up two Death Stars.


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Yeah, that was way too much. Not only that, but then how does that guy go from that kind of trusted role within the organized culture to running around the galaxy with a pirate? Doesn't even make sense.

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-What was up with the sluttily dressed female Jedi? And the panning out of her body being blasted? Seemed misogynous.


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We first saw her in the arena battle in Clones. Same outfit. Think we needed more of that.

[durron597]

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in the 'old days', Jedi were trained as youngsters, and there was even doubt that Anakin was too old to begin training in Episode I. So why did OB1 wait until Luke was a teenager to begin training him?

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Probably several reasons, not the least of which were:

1) He screwed up Anakin's training
2) He knew that Owen and Beru were against getting involved in galactic affairs
3) He didn't want to be noticed by Sidious/Vader, they would have sensed Luke's training

[samjjones]

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in the 'old days', Jedi were trained as youngsters, and there was even doubt that Anakin was too old to begin training in Episode I. So why did OB1 wait until Luke was a teenager to begin training him?

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Probably several reasons, not the least of which were:

1) He screwed up Anakin's training
2) He knew that Owen and Beru were against getting involved in galactic affairs
3) He didn't want to be noticed by Sidious/Vader, they would have sensed Luke's training

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This is actually explained really well in the novel. In the novel, Yoda has been communicating with Qui-Gon Jinn's force essence for some time. After Anakin turns into Vader, Yoda feels responsible, since his (and all Jedis) arrogance prevented them from seeing that Palpatine = Sidious. Qui-Gon tells him not to take the blame, that all that is happening is the will of the living force. Afterwards, Yoda talks to Obi-Wan, and tells him that the children of Skywalker will be strong in the Force, and will be led to them when the Force wills it.

[Dynasty]

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-It had to be [censored] Chewbacca that helped Yoda escape, didn't it? Lucas just wouldn't be able to sleep at night if he didn't make one of the two Wookies - on a planet inhabited by millions of them! - the same one who helps to blow up two Death Stars.


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Yeah, that was way too much. Not only that, but then how does that guy go from that kind of trusted role within the organized culture to running around the galaxy with a pirate? Doesn't even make sense.

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Chewbacca was put in the films because there's a large core of fans who want to see the OT chacters again. That's why Yoda and R2D2 got the biggest responses during the film.

As for the Chewbacca story, it basically goes:

1. The Empire enslaves the wookies
2. Han saves Chewbacca, costing Han his job as an Imperial pilot
3. Chewbacca hangs with Han to repay his life debt

[jedi]

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Also, the apprentice is the front line warrior. We saw this with Darth Maul in The Phantom Menace and Darth Vader in the orginal trilogy. The apprentice is the enforcer.

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Ian McDarmid mentioned this in an interview. Dooku is getting too old to be an apprentice and Sidious recruits Anakin as his younger apprentice. Anakin's first act as his apprentice (though he doesn't know it yet) is really the killing of Dooku, taking care of some business that Sidious needed to take care of.

In RotJ, Vader is getting too old, and Sidious is attempting to recruit another apprentice, a younger apprentice. Too bad Luke has to go mess everything up.

[durron597]

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Ian McDarmid mentioned this in an interview. Dooku is getting too old to be an apprentice and Sidious recruits Anakin as his younger apprentice. Anakin's first act as his apprentice (though he doesn't know it yet) is really the killing of Dooku, taking care of some business that Sidious needed to take care of.


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It also helps that Anakin is way more powerful, way more politically convenient (Dooku is the leader of the separatists), and would be a big blow to the Jedi order if they lost him.

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In RotJ, Vader is getting too old, and Sidious is attempting to recruit another apprentice, a younger apprentice. Too bad Luke has to go mess everything up.

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I don't think it's an issue of Vader getting too old as it is an issue of both Vader and Luke getting too powerful. Luke is the last free Jedi Knight (a useful ally if turned), Vader is thinking about trying to overthrow Palpatine.