cbet this flop?

schwza · #1 11-08-2005, 03:56 PM

very early in empire $100. no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1140)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1285)
CO (t660)
Hero (t975)
SB (t970)
BB (t1045)
UTG (t940)
UTG+1 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 2 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t60.

Flop: (t187.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero?

#2 11-08-2005, 04:00 PM

ya I c-bet this.. even better that he called your raise after just initially calling, instead of you making the initial raise and him calling.. he looks even weaker this way.

JeanieJ · #3 11-08-2005, 04:01 PM

I don't know... I think I'm checking here. I don't really want to make a follow up bet in a pot so small.

#4 11-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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very early in empire $100. no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1140)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1285)
CO (t660)
Hero (t975)
SB (t970)
BB (t1045)
UTG (t940)
UTG+1 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero raises to t75, 2 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls t60.

Flop: (t187.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero?

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I think he probably hit that flop. I would check and if he checks again on fourth street I'd fire a continuation bet a card late.

burningyen · #5 11-08-2005, 04:14 PM

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I think he probably hit that flop.

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On what basis? Why can't he have 22-66, 99-TT?

Sam T. · #6 11-08-2005, 04:14 PM

Yes, but I like your thinking. Let me see if I see where you're going with this.

If you bet and he comes over the top, you're on a decision for a good portion of your chips. Yuck. And if he calls, there are a lot of turn cards that are bad news. Keep the pot small and playing the turn gets much easier. See if you can turn a heart, an A or K, and let position work for you.

If a heart comes, you have the monster draw, and have some interesting options on the turn. He bets, you raise big/push with two overs and a nut flush draw. If an A or K comes, you are probably good, you can bet/raise with some confidence. (Maybe he's limping with AQ, but probably not.)

I don't know if this made sense. It's usually an auto bet for me, but this is an interesting question.

P.S. Would you consider checking behind without the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

#7 11-08-2005, 04:14 PM

other than him posting this hand for a reason, what would make you think he hit the flop? One face card and no made straight or flush draws against one limper.. most of the time the check means what it means, they're afraid of your pf raise and missed the flop or are still drawing.

Sam T. · #8 11-08-2005, 04:16 PM

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I think he probably hit that flop.

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On what basis? Why can't he have 22-66, 99-TT?

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Or given that it's level one, suited connetors 56-KQ?

Villain could have anything from a set, to a nice draw, to shinola.

#9 11-08-2005, 04:20 PM

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If you bet and he comes over the top, you're on a decision for a good portion of your chips. Yuck. And if he calls, there are a lot of turn cards that are bad news. Keep the pot small and playing the turn gets much easier. See if you can turn a heart, an A or K, and let position work for you.

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Shouldn't we let position work for us by betting the flop? a c-bet will give us all the info we need.. our opponent won't call it with nothing, and he won't go over the top with nothing... I think we have to stop being afraid of the CR against one player and just play a check for what it is on that board.. checking behind gives you no information, and now villain will be in prime stealing mode as he's first to bet on a harmless turn card (if there's a harmless turn

Blinds are still 15, so Hero is in no way committed to this hand too much, he can still get away with it and wait for next opportunity.

schwza · #10 11-08-2005, 04:22 PM

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P.S. Would you consider checking behind without the A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ?

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i'm much more likely to check behind here with the Ah. do people think that's right?