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#21
08-13-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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[ QUOTE ] There's no way in hell I'd turn them in. Though we're not very close I consider at least one of them to be a pretty good friend. Loyalty supercedes do-gooding. I suppose my OP was pointless, there's not really much I can do. It is a rather upsetting situation though. -Phoenix [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you should look in the mirror and decide why you want to be "pretty good friends" with a friggin cheater. I think that says something about you thats not very flattering If he cheats at poker like this, he probably cheats on his girlfriend / wife and who knows what else. Dont be surprised if some money dissapears from your wallet when youre not looking. I think that says something about you thats not very flattering. [/ QUOTE ] I have no problem looking in the mirror. I am defined by my own actions, not those of my acquaintances. I am unconcerned as to whether my choice of friends says anything flattering or unflattering about me. By my moral standards I have no obligation to report them, especially since such an action collides with my value of loyalty. I'm 100% sure that these guys wouldn't steal from me. Your extrapolations are unfounded. A broadstroke judgement doesn't apply here. Although he occasionally cheats online, one of them is definitely a good guy. -Phoenix 
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#22
08-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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[ QUOTE ] There's no way in hell I'd turn them in. Though we're not very close I consider at least one of them to be a pretty good friend. Loyalty supercedes do-gooding. I suppose my OP was pointless, there's not really much I can do. It is a rather upsetting situation though. -Phoenix [/ QUOTE ] So, how long have you been colluding with yer buds? Why are you wanting out of the group now? Did you really think there was a way to get out of it without getting caught yourself? Too bad I don't know what site and 2 names. The whole gang would go down. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if you misunderstood or if this is your best attempt at being an ass. I've never cheated at anything in my life. Except strip poker. -Phoenix
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#23
08-13-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There's no way in hell I'd turn them in. Though we're not very close I consider at least one of them to be a pretty good friend. Loyalty supercedes do-gooding. I suppose my OP was pointless, there's not really much I can do. It is a rather upsetting situation though. -Phoenix [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you should look in the mirror and decide why you want to be "pretty good friends" with a friggin cheater. I think that says something about you thats not very flattering If he cheats at poker like this, he probably cheats on his girlfriend / wife and who knows what else. Dont be surprised if some money dissapears from your wallet when youre not looking. I think that says something about you thats not very flattering. [/ QUOTE ] I have no problem looking in the mirror. I am defined by my own actions, not those of my acquaintances. I am unconcerned as to whether my choice of friends says anything flattering or unflattering about me. By my moral standards I have no obligation to report them, especially since such an action collides with my value of loyalty. I'm 100% sure that these guys wouldn't steal from me. Your extrapolations are unfounded. A broadstroke judgement doesn't apply here. Although he occasionally cheats online, one of them is definitely a good guy. -Phoenix [/ QUOTE ] Wow thats some real funny [censored]. You ask what you should do. You have been told to report them. You say you judged by your action. YOUR ACTION SUCK!!!!!! Typical BS, does not affect me so I will not do anything. Phoenix let me put it this way. It does affect you. Obviousdly you are to blind and ignorant to see how it affects you. So phoenix. Same thing your so called buddy is in to kiddy porn he tells you this. Do you just sit there with your thumb up ur ass and do nothing? Id think so. Cause YOU PHOENIX HAVE NO MORALS. Id go as far as to say your a DOUCHEBAG!!!! It seems to me that you posted this looking for someone to coddle you and say your doing the right thing by not reporting it. Instead that has not happened. The exact opposite happend now I have read you justifing your actions. Remember this Grasshopper. it is allways easier to take the moral high road. Steve
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#24
08-13-2005, 01:42 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
I dont blame you for not turning them in. It is truly a shame that these individuals can't resist from cheating. It is no different than walking into senior citizens home and robbing them. I would bet these individuals could resist stealing in that case. The internet seems to make it o.k. for these guys, because they are not risking their future or possible incarceration. For some people it is not the act of doing wrong that plagues their consience. It is the fear of the penalties that arise from these acts. That is what governs their consience. The penalty for cheating online poker is probably not severe enough to affect their consience. The fact that they have even shared this with you, shows that their conscience is probably bothering them somewhat, because they wanted to judge the severity of their actions by your response when they shared this with you. They wouldn't admit this, but it is probably the case. The best thing you could of done is ripped their asses apart when they told you. You should've been red faced spit frothing freaking out on them. Besides that, if you value your relationship with these individuals, ratting them out is out of the question. Murder and Rape is about the only thing risking valuable friendships. Theft in my opinon is not. I would love to see these guys cained or broom handle raped for their actions, but they are not my friends.
Starting to sound like Ricky Williams, but thats my 2 cents
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#25
08-13-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
lol. You're funny.
[ QUOTE ] Wow thats some real funny [censored]. You ask what you should do. You have been told to report them. You say you judged by your action. [/ QUOTE ] Read. I never asked anyone what I should do, I asked for comments and opinions. I think it's an interesting situation, and I was curious to see if anyone else had been in this situation, and what they would do if they were. I definitely don't need a bunch of internet message board denizens to tell me what to do, nor do I need their snap judgements. I supppose you have to take the good with the bad though. [ QUOTE ] YOUR ACTION SUCK!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] lol. [ QUOTE ] Typical BS, does not affect me so I will not do anything. [/ QUOTE ] Calling it "typical" or "BS" does nothing to say what problem you have with my line of thinking. There's another epidemic I've noticed on these boards: as many wild opinions as you can squeeze into one post with as little substance as possible. The act of marginalizing an idea by labeling it is the biggest cudgel the ignorant have at their disposal. [ QUOTE ] Phoenix let me put it this way. It does affect you. Obviousdly you are to blind and ignorant to see how it affects you. [/ QUOTE ] lol again. And now we have you trying stumble your way to the moral high ground. OK Plato. This debate has been carried out far too many times. I'm well aware of everything involved, although I don't think you're seeing all the factors. [ QUOTE ] So phoenix. Same thing your so called buddy is in to kiddy porn he tells you this. Do you just sit there with your thumb up ur ass and do nothing? Id think so. [/ QUOTE ] Reductio ad absurdum. Two completely different situations with two completely different implications. The world is not black and white. But maybe you're too blind and ignorant to understand that. [ QUOTE ] Cause YOU PHOENIX HAVE NO MORALS. [/ QUOTE ] Clearly. [ QUOTE ] Id go as far as to say your a DOUCHEBAG!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Are you getting younger as your post goes on? [ QUOTE ] It seems to me that you posted this looking for someone to coddle you and say your doing the right thing by not reporting it. Instead that has not happened. The exact opposite happend now I have read you justifing your actions. [/ QUOTE ] Again, my intention was to get opinions and perhaps some feedback from people who have been in a similar situation. I definitely expected a lot of negativity and rash judgements, again, it comes with the territory. How could I possibly expect anyone to "coddle" me? I was expecting exactly what has happened. My actions are already justified, all I need to do is point it out to those who can't see. [ QUOTE ] Remember this Grasshopper. it is allways easier to take the moral high road. [/ QUOTE ] So I see. -Phoenix
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#26
08-13-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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I dont blame you for not turning them in. It is truly a shame that these individuals can't resist from cheating. It is no different than walking into senior citizens home and robbing them. I would bet these individuals could resist stealing in that case. The internet seems to make it o.k. for these guys, because they are not risking their future or possible incarceration. For some people it is not the act of doing wrong that plagues their consience. It is the fear of the penalties that arise from these acts. That is what governs their consience. The penalty for cheating online poker is probably not severe enough to affect their consience. [/ QUOTE ] This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Another factor is that online poker by it's nature seems to make people lose track of the value of money. Bear in mind, I'm not trying to justify their actions by any means, but I am trying to think of reasons why otherwise decent human beings would take part in such an abhorrent act. [ QUOTE ] The fact that they have even shared this with you, shows that their conscience is probably bothering them somewhat, because they wanted to judge the severity of their actions by your response when they shared this with you. They wouldn't admit this, but it is probably the case. [/ QUOTE ] Nah. This isn't the case. The one who told me about, who is admittedly kind of a scumbag, seemed to be fairly proud of it. [ QUOTE ] The best thing you could of done is ripped their asses apart when they told you. You should've been red faced spit frothing freaking out on them. Besides that, if you value your relationship with these individuals, ratting them out is out of the question. [/ QUOTE ] (16:38:44) P: [censored] off (16:39:27) P: you guys are assholes, and i can only hope that you are reported and your accounts frozen (16:39:30) P: now go die I haven't spoken to them since. -Phoenix
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#27
08-13-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
"If he cheats at poker like this, he probably cheats on his girlfriend / wife and who knows what else."
Uh... talk about hyperbole...
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#28
08-13-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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I'm 100% sure that these guys wouldn't steal from me. [/ QUOTE ] Fine. But I'm not 100% sure that they wouldn't steal from me. If it makes you feel better, look at it this way: they might finally learn how to play good poker once they're forced to go clean.
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#29
08-13-2005, 07:24 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
As with most everyone else I agree that what they are doing sucks and you should turn them in, but if this friendship is important then I'd at least spend a few minutes talking to the one guy you are kind of close to.
Sometimes people don't realize that what they are doing is a big deal. Not everyone can see beyond the moment. Maybe by talking to him he'll see what he's doing is wrong. I know this is a little on the emo/sensitive side, but if it was a close friend of mine I'd do this and then if they didn't stop I'd tell him I was going to report him.
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#30
08-13-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Friends colluding
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Calling it "typical" or "BS" does nothing to say what problem you have with my line of thinking. [/ QUOTE ] Ok typical BS. Is this, it does not affect me so I will do nothing about it. I think that says it all. Would you like me elaborate?
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