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BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
***** Hand History for Game 2548156070 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:14906005 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Tuesday, August 16, 23:15:58 EDT 2005 Table Table 14038 (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 4 Seat 1: sellalot ( $6310 ) Seat 6: EAMelguizo ( $2125 ) Seat 8: mikeylions ( $290 ) Seat 10: Itachi86 ( $1275 ) Trny:14906005 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Itachi86 [ 9d Ad ] Itachi86 UH OH WHAT DO YOU DO???? holla |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
I like a minraise here. If you get reraised by one of the bigger stacks behin you, you can reasonably assume that they have a pretty strong hand, and can fold and make a move when you are already ITM. More than likely, the two others will fold, and you will be HU against the short stack with what should be a favorite to knock him out and add to your chip total.
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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I like a minraise here. If you get reraised by one of the bigger stacks behin you, you can reasonably assume that they have a pretty strong hand, and can fold and make a move when you are already ITM. More than likely, the two others will fold, and you will be HU against the short stack with what should be a favorite to knock him out and add to your chip total. [/ QUOTE ] Ha! Miniraising is absolutely the worst thing you can do. A perceptive player is going to notice that, take that for weakness, and reraise over the top with any two, and YOU CANT call, even if you know hes pushing any two, b/c of the uber short stack. Back to raptor. I dont give a $hit what ICM says about this situation. Its all about relative chip power. In other words, how much more improved is your situation going to be if you successfully steal the blinds? 1200->1500 is not much, esp with the uber short stack about to bust. ICM is a theorhetical structure to HELP us understand sngs better, but, its not the ABSOLUTE theory. Fold. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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I like a minraise here. If you get reraised by one of the bigger stacks behin you, you can reasonably assume that they have a pretty strong hand, and can fold and make a move when you are already ITM. More than likely, the two others will fold, and you will be HU against the short stack with what should be a favorite to knock him out and add to your chip total. [/ QUOTE ] If I'm the big stack I'm pushing any two back at a min raise. I would probably still push here despite the really small stack. I would be a little concerned that the BB might fold his blind the the shortstack in order to keep the bubble alive. edit: misread the hand, thought bigstack was in the BB, now I would fold. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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I like a minraise here. If you get reraised by one of the bigger stacks behin you, you can reasonably assume that they have a pretty strong hand, and can fold and make a move when you are already ITM. More than likely, the two others will fold, and you will be HU against the short stack with what should be a favorite to knock him out and add to your chip total. [/ QUOTE ] If I am a big stack and I see you minraise and then look down at 32o I can't get all in fast enough. I say fold, and I do not think it is close. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
Maybe my assumption of the big stack having a solid hand if he comes over the top is off. After a minraise, the big stack will either: 1. Be asleep at the switch and fold OR 2. Push any 2 to bully the small stacks. If the bigger stacks are asleep at the switch, you have guaranteed that the shortie puts his money in with any 2 as a proabably dog to you, or folds the blinds to you, adding to your stack and leaving him unable to complete the small blind. If you run into a knowledgable big stack who pushes in, this isn't a bad thing either. Since you have position on the shortie, you will know if he is putting his tourny on the line, so your decision will be cut and dry. If he folds, he has to be all in on the next hand preflop, and the 800 some chips you have left should be able to hold out until he disappears, and if he goes in, you too can move in and hope to double up off the big stack. The only scenario where you are knocked out in 4th, is that the BB, who has to play any 2, beats both your A9o, which is better than most 2 card hands and the big stacks random hand, but the big stacks random hand beats your A9o. This will happen only around 1 time in 8, but the other times you will either double up to 2600 and eliminate the short stack, or nearly double up to 2000 while the short stack only has 900.
Maybe I'm an idiot and my logic is full of holes, but if I am I would appreciate someone telling me what they are. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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Maybe my assumption of the big stack having a solid hand if he comes over the top is off. After a minraise, the big stack will either: 1. Be asleep at the switch and fold OR 2. Push any 2 to bully the small stacks. If the bigger stacks are asleep at the switch, you have guaranteed that the shortie puts his money in with any 2 as a proabably dog to you, or folds the blinds to you, adding to your stack and leaving him unable to complete the small blind. If you run into a knowledgable big stack who pushes in, this isn't a bad thing either. Since you have position on the shortie, you will know if he is putting his tourny on the line, so your decision will be cut and dry. If he folds, he has to be all in on the next hand preflop, and the 800 some chips you have left should be able to hold out until he disappears, and if he goes in, you too can move in and hope to double up off the big stack. The only scenario where you are knocked out in 4th, is that the BB, who has to play any 2, beats both your A9o, which is better than most 2 card hands and the big stacks random hand, but the big stacks random hand beats your A9o. This will happen only around 1 time in 8, but the other times you will either double up to 2600 and eliminate the short stack, or nearly double up to 2000 while the short stack only has 900. Maybe I'm an idiot and my logic is full of holes, but if I am I would appreciate someone telling me what they are. [/ QUOTE ] I like this post a lot. It's well thought out, and I agree with it, especially with the lack or any reads as explained above. I actually voted to push before reading any of the posts, but probably because I'm sick of the recent strings of 3rd place finishes I've had, and the number of times I've seen the small blind here fold or do something stupid like double up the short stack. Excellent discussion. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
Anyone who folded...you honestly like the odds of getting dealt anything better in the next two hands?
POOOOOOSH! |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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Anyone who folded...you honestly like the odds of getting dealt anything better in the next two hands? POOOOOOSH! [/ QUOTE ] Uh, there is a short stack that is about to go Bye Bye next hand. |
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Re: BUBBLE!! uber small stack in bb A9 utg..
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Uh, there is a short stack that is about to go Bye Bye next hand. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a serious mistake to assume this... edit: oops, thought the bigstack was the BB, nevermind this is a much safer assumption |
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