JJ meets surprise bet

Bill Smith · #1 08-13-2004, 09:57 AM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

I assume I'm way ahead or way behind here.

River: (11.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Fear not the river ace? On what hands do you put BB and UTG?

Final Pot: 11.25 BB
Main Pot: 11.25 BB, between Hero, BB and UTG.

BobH42 · #2 08-13-2004, 10:08 AM

I put BB on a A or K along with a 3 suited (probably in hearts since there's one on the board giving him a backdoor flush draw and bottom pair on the flop). UTG on a club draw. That bet when the 3 hits the board is either a bluff at having trips or trips, unless he's on a big pair (J's-K's) and was happy to see another undercard to his pair came out, but I doubt that.

sublime · #3 08-13-2004, 10:13 AM

Raise the turn

SSH has a little tidbit on how/why fish play hands like this.

imsomoney · #4 08-13-2004, 02:35 PM

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SSH has a little tidbit on how/why fish play hands like this.

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Which section/pages? Those kind of bets always throw me off...

Alobar · #5 08-13-2004, 03:16 PM

raise the turn, bet the river.

you can definately bet the river after its checked through on the turn, if he had a 3 do you think he is scared of an A?

Entity · #6 08-13-2004, 03:48 PM

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Raise the turn

SSH has a little tidbit on how/why fish play hands like this.

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Which section is this? I'm almost finished with SSH but don't think I've seen what you're referring to.

Rob

xerostar · #7 08-13-2004, 04:31 PM

I think the BB was betting out on the turn because he had a T or an 8, trying to push out the overcards that he assumed you or the UTG might have. The ace definitely scared him. He doesn't have an ace.

The UTG could have a T/8 with a low kicker, or just two overcards, like KJ or KQ. He could even have a pocket pair of 9s or so. I doubt he has an ace, but it could be possible.

Bill Smith · #8 08-14-2004, 01:06 PM

Well, good intuition by you guys, and I guess yet another example where I need to get SSHE. (hopefully this Thursday it gets here)

BB shows J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG shows Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

MHIG

Nemesis · #9 08-14-2004, 06:37 PM

Page 167 footnote is the tidbit he's talkign about. Raise the turn, and bet the river when checked to. I think the river especially is a clear value bet that you missed.