Getting pwned by a LAG?

aflaba · #1 10-08-2005, 07:23 PM

Today I played poker for the first time in 10 days. It would be surprisingly for me to quit. But I don't want to give up on my invested hard work. Instead I'm diving after the sunk costs.

Me being rusty had the consecvence that I was a lot more unsure of decitions than I usually am. Some help with this LAG would be appreciated. Thanks!

I was up agianst a LAG. I didn't know how to play agianst him. When I sat down at the table all I knew was his stats. He was something like 50/20 with an aggresison factor of just under 2 over 2000 mined hands. His folded to blind pecent was surprisingly high, 55%, so one could suspect that he wans't clueless, but pushed where he _thought_ he had edges. His folded to bet percent was between 20 and 30 for all streets.

Here are most of the hands I played against him in todays session. Do you think I handled him okay, or that I got pwned?

I have commented with what I was thinking at the moment and I also show the results since they are important for future hands.

HAND 1:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB.
Results in white below:
Hero has Qh Js (a pair of jacks.)
UTG has Jd Ts (a pair of jacks.)
Hero wins 5.35 BB.


My plan was to call down after the flop. I was aware of the free card risk. On the riever I figured it was probable he had a flush draw and would bluff, or that he would bet a worse hand anyway.

HAND 2:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.
Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
BB wins 7.10 BB.


HAND 3:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.00 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.00 BB.
Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
SB wins 4.90 BB.


I guess this was just bad and playing scared?

HAND 4:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.00 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.00 BB.
Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
BB wins 3.90 BB.


HAND 5:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (1.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB.
Results in white below:
Hero has As 7c (a pair of sevens.)
CO has 3s 4s (a pair of threes.)
Hero wins 5.15 BB.


Is preflop a raise? I feel I have an equity edge, but I have raising and then betting away to be raised somewhere in the hand with the options fold and call both close to EV 0. I figured I'd rather let him bet the hand for me so I could always call with EV+. Is this good or flawed thinking.

On the flop I went for the ch/r since this is the kind of flop I can see getting checked on the river and I want to get money in when most likly ahead. It failed. He went super tricky on me with his bottom pair.

HAND 6:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.
Results in white below:
Hero has Kh 6s (a pair of sixes.)
UTG has 7d 7s (a pair of sevens.)
UTG wins 7.15 BB.


The reasons I bet the turn was that he had checked behind two times before, and he seemed to be playing back with bad hands. But I don't know if my hand was strong enough to not call down. Agaisnt an aggressive player who I could count on to bet the turn I'd just call him down.

So how did I do?

Stefan_K · #2 10-08-2005, 07:50 PM

hand 1 play the same
hand 2 play the same
hand 3 bet the turn
hand 4 bet the turn
hand 5 bet the turn or fold to the rais
hand 6 don't call the turn

it was some alcohol in this analys

zephed · #3 10-09-2005, 06:20 AM

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HAND 2:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.
Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
BB wins 7.10 BB.


I'm always checking that turn against this opponent with our hand.

HAND 5:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Bet this flop! Your hand is vulnerable.

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blackize · #4 10-09-2005, 06:30 AM

You are too timid. You aren't aggressive enough. You are very easily scared.

He pwned you. You were playing HIS game. He dictated the pace and style to you.

ArturiusX · #5 10-09-2005, 07:50 AM

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HAND 2:

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB.
Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
BB wins 7.10 BB.


I'm always checking that turn against this opponent with our hand.

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Just to clarify this, if you check this turn he's always betting the river with his holding, irregardless of whether its a worse hand, or sometimes better hand. If you bet the turn, he's folding the worse hand and only c/ring with the better hand. The turn check means you see a showdown and get the same amount of bets.

brazilio · #6 10-09-2005, 10:57 AM

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