$55 bubble - AK in SB facing 2 pushes

octaveshift · #1 07-18-2005, 11:14 PM

I have both of these guys covered.

If I lose, I am more than likely getting third.

If I fold, I can outplay these guys ITM.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

UTG (t2230)
Button (t2582)
Hero (t2903)
BB (t2285)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

UTG pushes. Button pushes. Hero????

durron597 · #2 07-18-2005, 11:17 PM

Can you give us any hint as to how aggro these guys are being on the bubble?

I think there's a not unreasonable chance of you having the Button dominated.

octaveshift · #3 07-18-2005, 11:23 PM

Yeah, sorry I left the reads out.

UTG showed down TWO hands the entire game, 55 and A8o.

Button went into steal mode in L4, raising every hand, but claimed many times in the chat that "he never bluffs" and I stole my way back from t200 chips in L2 by indirectly wailing on his SB. (When he was the SB, the BB was a weak tight Nancy who would give up it up faster than a girl named Crystal on Prom night.)

On the bubble, both were being reasonable. IE- Not 2+2ers.

11t · #4 07-18-2005, 11:29 PM

I dunno, I would fold here. I don't have any real mathematical reason but if you think you can outplay them then there is no reason to take this gamble.

ldavidjm · #5 07-18-2005, 11:35 PM

I'd call here. Chances are you have one of them dominated and I'd like the chance to cruise into first. And the fact you basically are gonna get ITM regardless of what happens makes it easier, you have a good edge in being able to outplay them but with all those chips its an easy first.

octaveshift · #6 07-18-2005, 11:47 PM

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I dunno, I would fold here. I don't have any real mathematical reason but if you think you can outplay them then there is no reason to take this gamble.

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Yuck. My first thought was to fold. Then I looked at stack sizes and thought: "OK you pussay. You are playing for first. No fear. You have them covered. Push it."

I'd run it through SGA, but it doesn't do multiway all-ins.

HighestCard · #7 07-18-2005, 11:48 PM

My guess would be that UTG has a PP, and Button has Ace x (x being a face card). Im guessing this because he pushed, instead of called, wanting you to get out of the hand. I would think you have Button dominated, but would no longer be in a coin flip with one of your aces gone with UTG. My move is fold.

JayKon · #8 07-19-2005, 12:59 AM

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If I fold, I can outplay these guys ITM.

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If I'm sure, I'm folding. Otherwise, I call.

durron597 · #9 07-19-2005, 01:01 AM

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I'd call here. Chances are you have one of them dominated

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But that's very bad if the other guy has a PP, because it kills your outs.

Tough spot, I'm still not sure.

Jay36489 · #10 07-19-2005, 04:12 AM

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I'd call here. Chances are you have one of them dominated

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But that's very bad if the other guy has a PP, because it kills your outs.

Tough spot, I'm still not sure.

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How does it kill your outs? One of them could have AA or KK, which is obviously bad. If its AK vs AQ vsPP you have (almost) dead money in the pot from AQ. If its Ak vs PP over PP, lower PP is dead money. As long as no one has AA or KK you are basically in a coin flip with one of them and one is dominated. If one wins you get third, if the other wins you have a decent shot at third. Win, and you will have a huge lead and at least 2nd. Call.