Betting for value or stupidity? - Page 2

Mathieu · #11 11-19-2005, 03:10 AM

I am pleased with these numbers, and I agree that the situation looks pretty much just as good as against random hands. This does not say much for the opponents [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Anyways, whenenever I get a situation like this, I think of how strongly Ed Miller advocates raising the big suited cards in this spot (ie. vs weak hands).

I guess it would be different if a rock had limped utg or something.

#12 11-19-2005, 04:37 AM

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I also like the turn bet, as you may have made MP1 fold an A with a bad kicker

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I remember the last time I saw someone at a Party .5/1 table fold a paired ace with a weak kicker...2002, I think.

For the OP, betting out the turn is fine here because you might actually be ahead. But this epidemic of leading the turn with nothing but a flush draw is the scourge of our college campuses.

#13 11-19-2005, 04:59 AM

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Pumping the flop is good. I don't know how much betting the turn actually does for you.

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#14 11-19-2005, 07:42 AM

seems fine imo.

rgb · #15 11-19-2005, 08:34 AM

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I don't know how much betting the turn actually does for you. I'd really hate to get raised by MP1 or MP3.

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With the chance of being ahead + outs + (slight) chance of folding a better hand (e.g. Ax, KJ) I think a turn bet is OK.

Also, if someone else has a FD, the deceptive value of a bet on the turn could get you paid off big time with a river [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (MP3 looks a likely candidate).

I don't think you get raised here very often. Since hero raised PF, they have to fear AA, KK & AK given the flop action.

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