Folding pocket KK?

ajm36 · #1 04-21-2005, 05:38 AM

No reads--I was not at the table long enough. Should I have folded KK against this aggression?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP1 calls, Hero folds.

River: (10.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

jaxUp · #2 04-21-2005, 05:42 AM

the coldcall by MP1 makes it a pretty clear fold on the turn. If MP1 wasn't in there, then I'm just not sure what to do.

J.DP · #3 04-21-2005, 05:47 AM

The pot is big enough to draw to a 4 outer. 10-1 closing the action looks good enough.

I call and check/fold the river unimproved.

jaxUp · #4 04-21-2005, 05:50 AM

Whoops, I am a fish...call the turn with your gutshot

Elbie · #5 04-21-2005, 06:01 AM

Quote: - The pot is big enough to draw to a 4 outer. 10-1 closing the action looks good enough.I call and check/fold the river unimproved.

Second that

Matt Jenko · #6 04-21-2005, 06:15 AM

call here rather than folding. you are probably behind, but a J will sort you out and 10-1 is good enough. the last 2 Ks might even take it down as well.

imported_Reaction · #7 04-21-2005, 12:08 PM

Grunched: No.

You are behind to a bunch of hands like TT, AT, QT maybe AJ, AK and w/MP1’s coldcall it doesn’t look good. But, getting 10:1 four your 3 outs to the straight and 1 out to a Set, odds are about right to see the river and c/f UI.

numeri · #8 04-21-2005, 12:16 PM

[blind response]

I think a fold here is really bad. Lots of crazy stuff happens at micro-limits. Besides, even if we're behind, it could easily be to two pair QT or 6T. I call and then call the river as well. If we knew button was a rock, I might be more willing to fold. (Like the type of player who wouldn't raise the flop with AQ until hitting top 2pr on the turn.)

I've been known to get too attached to my high pocket pairs, though, so we'll see.

EDIT: Damn, I suck. I missed the GSD, too. In that case, it's an easy call for me. I also don't think enough about cold-callers. I'm not sure that I should, though. I see players call down with weak 2nd pair all the time.

Rev. Good Will · #9 04-21-2005, 12:32 PM

grunching

folding on the turn, getting 1 to 10 with a 6 outer?(okay, discounting the *maybe* dirty J/K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5)

I'd call, discount or not.