Post-Bike thread discussion (w/ Bart hopefully)

[ClaytonN]

Have at it.

[Shibby]

From the other thread:

About that flopped set of 5's hand, he's gonna win that guys money 90% of the time, according to the broadcasters rough estimation... so why wouldn't he want that $100 call on the turn?

[lighterjobs]

gutshot straight draw for $100?! i thought 4-8 was bad.

[lighterjobs]

he would.. it's just ridiculous that the guy caught his card.

[ClaytonN]

Okay, here are my comments:

Bart, I think you do a very good job at commentating (I made the props to the prop comment, since you're a propl player). You have a grasp of the game and that's always a great start.

What I noticed, watching this for the first time, was the lack of times the size of the pot was mentioned during the hand. There were some instances you'd point out how players didn't have odds to call, but during the action of the hand we never really got to see how much was in the pot.

Anyways, that's a minor thing. You wanted us to comment on that hand where the guy invested, what, $100 on a gutshot straight? He later said "I put you on a smaller ace", so his whole line was based on a read, a very stupid read at that.

BUT, since we don't know how much was in the pot, we can't give precise analysis. We can tell you the guy who rivered the straight was stupid, we just don't know how stupid. Yet.

And plus, we don't know how the guy with the set played it out. IE what his bets were with proportion to the pot.

[Kaz The Original]

I found the announcers were pretty decent. The one pro was knowledgable about most concepts AND worded them in a way that a viewing audience not as technical as 2+2 would understand.

Benny served the role of bringing a bit of excitment and raw energy to the broadcast, as well as doing his bit to promote the bike.

The play from most players was attrocious. On the KK,QQ,98o, hand, I do not believe QQ should reraise MOST of the time, but at this table, against a random raiser I would. How was the KK guy playing before that hand in terms of preflop raises?

[ClaytonN]

I think KK boy called the raise PF, didn't he? Very passive.

[Russ McGinley]

I believe the player with KK was the guy in seat 6 who was terrible. Also I think AKs was acting behind KK and also flat called preflop. The guy with QQ was the passive calling station that had made the same play against Rick with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on a board of T-8-x-2 with two spades.

About the 55 v A8 hand, I doubt there was a PFR since the table was so loose-passive. If the board was 5-6-7 or some combo of middle cards and the guy with A8 says he put the bettor on ace-small, then he was still losing except to A2, A3, or A4. I think he was just bullshi<font color="black"></font>tting and knew he just got extremely lucky.

[Kaz The Original]

I'm pretty sure KK brought it in, but I could be mistaken. I think he was called by QQ, 98o, and AKs (in order of latest positon to first).

[3rdEye]

I didn't watch much tonight, but they did mention 2+2, which I thought was cool.