Hand Vs Good Player

[Steve Giufre]

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and how much do they bleed off a year to those that always seem to have something when they are pushing hard everything that looks like it deserves the pot.
did anyone think about folding on the flop or 4th street. is that a bad play, and is it so much better to build a big pot with a hand that most of your cards you are looking for can make him a little better hand.

and yes to your question. i would in this kind of spot, try to put as little in this pot i can until i thought i had the best hand.

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Why do most of these card we want make him a better hand? Most of the good players I know have a really big range on the button, and I think both his overs to the 9 are good here a lot more often then they arnt. Folding the flop does seem really bad to me. Assuming he does just call the flop, he is getting 4 1/2 to 1 to try to make his hand on the river. Thats enough right there assuming he gets paid when he makes his hand, even if we assume the J and the 10 are dead, and they wont be a lot of the time.

Most of the good players I know could open with a ton of hands there, and its also not that out of the ordinary for him to follow through again on 4th with a lot of those hands after Hiatus just calls that flop. I dont have a problem with just check calling the flop and turn, but folding before the river seems bad to me.

I also think its important to checkraise the flop at least some of the time in these spots. Always check calling here and rarely pushing one seems like it would make you too readable, and would lead to having trouble getting action with strong hands. I think being more passive here is good agaist somebody who isnt gonna put the bet in on 4th without a strong hand. It seems to me that the default for most guys on the button in that spot is to bet the flop and follow through again on the turn with most hands in his range, at least in the online games that Hiatus plays in. I just dont see it going check check on the turn all that often in those spots.