Do I feel lucky?

[Phil Van Sexton]

This is a 109. Sorry Yugo, there is no option for Fold PF.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

BB (t800)
UTG (t1570)
UTG+1 (t1225)
MP1 (t810)
MP2 (t1100)
MP3 (t930)
CO (t1370)
Button (t1095)
Hero (t1100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t100</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t250</font>

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I think you will actually be the favorite on this hand as long as no one has a higher flush.

I like the push. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Scuba Chuck]

Flop: I generally don't mind the check here. Sort of a look around, see where you're at check. If you were only up against the BB, I'd be inclined to call or raise (or push). Given the situation, my decision to push or fold (not a big fan of calling here) will likely depend on how I "feel" about the situation at the time. Given this is a $109, and the fact that CO would be left with t1120 if he folds, I'm inclined to push. I think there is a 20-40% chance villain folds this. If villain had been left with fewer chips by folding, say t700 or less, I'm confident villain is calling nearly 100% of the time, and I think that could make this more tricky.

For all you posters who said call:
You might want to consider your mindset at the tables. If you're going to be calling off ~25% of your stack to **see** a card (or two) you're likely committing yourself to this pot (or spewing chips). Furthermore, if a club or K hits, you may not get paid off. Thus you have not been paid for the risk you've taken to **see** the turn card (or maybe more for the river). Furthermore, pushing might win it for you right there. If you're more of the mindset to call here, I'd recommend a fold instead.

Pokerstove Results:
against QJ, you're a 48% favorite to win the hand
against 44, you're a 40% favorite to win the hand
against Qx, you're a 51% favorite to win the hand
against AA, you're a 53% favorite to win the hand

Against that entire range, you're a 50.4% favorite to win the hand.

Worst case scenario:
AQ-clubs, you're a 21% favorite to win the hand

[pooh74]

I dont mind checking this either on the flop. With so many to act, I want to see what I am dealing with here.

That said, I would be hard pressed to lay this down. But i dont think a push is going to have any FE and you might be facing two other players (prob only one) and some outs are surely gone/drawing dead.

I had a similar situation last night...perhaps not as good a draw, but my rationale for laying it down early before investing anything was that I AM BETTER than the rest...maybe delusional, but I like my bubble play better than my pushing draws early.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I had a similar situation last night...perhaps not as good a draw, but my rationale for laying it down early before investing anything was that I AM BETTER than the rest...maybe delusional, but I like my bubble play better than my pushing draws early.


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You feel this way on a $109?

[pooh74]

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I had a similar situation last night...perhaps not as good a draw, but my rationale for laying it down early before investing anything was that I AM BETTER than the rest...maybe delusional, but I like my bubble play better than my pushing draws early.


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You feel this way on a $109?

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Scuba...I am humbled...you are entirely correct. I overlooked the buy-in.

I would take this edge here.

[Phil Van Sexton]

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I had a similar situation last night...perhaps not as good a draw, but my rationale for laying it down early before investing anything was that I AM BETTER than the rest...maybe delusional, but I like my bubble play better than my pushing draws early.


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You feel this way on a $109?

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Scuba...I am humbled...you are entirely correct. I overlooked the buy-in.

I would take this edge here.

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It's ok to qualify your responses with "In a 30/3, I would...." or whatever you play.

There aren't enough 109 players here to generate a good discussion.

If it helps, my current impression is that the 109 is not that much different from the 55. It's certainly not a big enough difference to matter in this hand.

I'm really suprised that more people haven't voted for Fold. Do the 2 other players (bettor and caller) concern anyone else here?

[Nick M]

I check, planning to check raise all in. But when BB gets raised I have no fold equity, so I let it go.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I check, planning to check raise all in. But when BB gets raised I have no fold equity, so I let it go.

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How do you define fold equity? The only one I think might not think they can let this hand go is BB. And frankly, I think he has the weakest hand. Furthermore, (thanks for pointing this out PVS), MP2 may lay his hand down due to being sandwiched. Leaving us back with CO again.

CO, if folds, is still left with over t1100. When you say you have no FE, I assumed you meant against this guy. I disagree here.

There's only one serious negative to pushing that I can see here. If any one player calls, there could be a domino effect, and have a 3 way pot. Which, I guess, is good and bad.

Yeah, I can see how folding looks attractive as well. Calling is still bleh.

[Nick M]

No fold equity...I mean I don't think I can get everyone to fold. Maybe I'm using the wrong term here but it seems right. If there is little chance of getting everyone to fold, than I think I have to lay it down. It's a coin flip, it's pretty hahaha but still a flip. IMO the only value it has is gambling or getting everyone to fold.