Is this statement 100% true?

[kyro]

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i don't think anyone uses it as reasoning

it's just a joke

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I see it waaaaay too often without the smiley faces for it to be a joke. I think people actually factor the chances that they will hit into their decision, and neglect to factor in the chance that someone else will hit on them if they're the one ahead.

[tigerite]

Or TT, or AQ, or 88.. just about anything with the donks around, to be honest.

[zambonidrivr]

i won't fold pocket kings at any level or any limit preflop. not even at the world series, with 4 people all in before me on the first hand.

[zipppy]

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i won't fold pocket kings at any level or any limit preflop. not even at the world series, with 4 people all in before me on the first hand.

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i can't tell if my sarcasm detector is broken.

ridiculous.

spell checker still works.

[bigt439]

I was the third one in with KK from the bb in a 55 yesterday, and was up against AQo and A6s. So no, never fold, except for the aforementioned ridiculous bubble scenarios.

[downtown]

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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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Here's an example of a $55 hand I played this past Monday.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)

Preflop:
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t75</font>, CO calls t75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1000 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t985 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, MPC folds, CO folds.

As Hero, I fold QQ here only with a read (i.e. I've played you a few times before and I have some sort of notes), and I call KK regardless (&lt;-- [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) of read. I did fold QQ here because I did have notes and a read on the SB from previous games, and got to see KK from the SB. I would have called if it was two randoms.

I can't imagine the situation where I'd fold KK in a $33 or $55 SNG. Even with a very strong read, there is just too much chance it could be AKs or QQ.

[fluorescenthippo]

i folded KK at a 55 lvl 1.

utg limps, MP1 minraises, I reraises from CO, SB reraises around half his stack, utg limp reraises all in, MP1 calls.

im still not sure if i liked my fold. they turned up QQ, JJ, and 99 or something.

[Nicholasp27]

they turn up things other than AA often enough to make it +ev to push/call push with KK

[stupidsucker]

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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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This statement is not 100% true.
There are rare cases to fold KK and even AA preflop. Most of the time they come from extreme bubble situations.

Plug these numbers into SNGPT.

BB(hero) 3117
SB 3117
BTN 1557
Co 209

Blinds are 100-200
CO and BTN fold
SB pushes
KK is an easy fold here acording to the ICM

This example may not be perfect, but it is an example that isnt far fetched at all.

edit... I find this thread interesting, because there are people who strenly believe that they should never fold KK preflop. There are lots of places to fold it. All of them are at least semi extreme.

If you play enough poker, you WILL run into times where it is correct to fold them preflop. Ignorning this will likely not cost you a whole lot of money in the long run, but in a lifetime your sample size wont ever be large enough to cover the variance. I am just guessing the numbers.

[bones]

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Pocket Kings should never be folded preflop at partypoker in the $33s or $55s regardless of the betting action.

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It's been my experience that searching for absolutes in poker will get you no closer to any kind of real understanding.