Flop decision

toby · #1 12-09-2005, 08:37 PM

Both villains are mostly passive, SB is loose (~44vpip) and mp2 is about 20vpip.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 raises, SB 3-bets, Hero...

First call was based on 3 clean outs for a straight, ~1.5 outs for an Ace, and ~1.5 outs for backdoor flush draw.

After it was raised and reraised, the action feels too strong for me to stick around.

(table was pretty loose and passive in general - this explains the open limp with A3s)

ncboiler · #2 12-09-2005, 09:01 PM

Why do you think your outs to the straight are clean? You are only getting 5.5:1 on this.

Fishlips_Jones · #3 12-09-2005, 09:16 PM

I usually fold this preflop, but if I play it here I raise.

I fold the flop when it's one to me.

Fishlips

toby · #4 12-10-2005, 10:38 AM

There are four 5's that complete my straight - 3 of them are clean.

KN0CKAH0MA · #5 12-10-2005, 10:46 AM

I agree 100% with Mr.Fishlips!!

#6 12-10-2005, 11:09 AM

fold preflop, fold flop.

You probably have about 3.5 outs to the straight (you have no reason to think that SB / MP2 have a FD > 50% of the time I think)

However you don't have enough outs to call here profitably, the pot is quite small and there isn't much action. I doubt there will be enough to make up at least 3big bets.

After he raises the flop you are getting 4.5:1 and this is a clear fold, it may even be raised again costing you further. Although the action has now increased you are looking to make up 6 big bets or so.

The fold after the 3-bet is in my opinion far easier than the fold after the sb bets out.

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