When should I have KNOWN I was BEAT??

SeaSiren · #1 12-08-2005, 08:46 AM

From last night's Pacific Trout Tourney...
At what point should I have really 'gotten it'... that I was beat??? Should I have raised much bigger at flop?? Wiped me out... blaaa.
Thanks for any input [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t1680)
Hero (t1580)
Button (t1350)
SB (t1360)
BB (t1530)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t20, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t40, BB calls t40.

Turn: (t130) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t190, Hero raises to t320, BB raises to t1470, Hero calls t1150.

River: (t3070) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t3070

Hero has Jd Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
BB has 3d 3s (full house, threes full of eights).
Outcome: BB wins t3070.

tigerite · #2 12-08-2005, 08:53 AM

Never.

Melchiades · #3 12-08-2005, 09:23 AM

I go broke here. I'm not crazy about the minraise three bet if you are gonna call a push though. I would think the only reason to minraise there was to not get pot commited. Anyways, like I said I go broke here.

#4 12-08-2005, 10:15 AM

Am I the only one who prefers both raising and folding to calling preflop?

Jbrochu · #5 12-08-2005, 10:32 AM

Siren - the only way I could get away from this hand is if I had a really good read on villain, the kind of read that cannot be developed from playing somebody once or twice...

durron597 · #6 12-08-2005, 10:40 AM

Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

SeaSiren · #7 12-08-2005, 10:55 AM

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Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

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Thanks Durron... it was Patrico - and he's usually pretty good at mixing up his strategy I think... so was hard for me to read. (Thanx for the insight on Toro... for another time!)

Jbrochu · #8 12-08-2005, 11:08 AM

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it was Patrico

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There is no way I could have gotten away from this against Patrico, and that is said with the utmost respect for his game.

#9 12-08-2005, 11:13 AM

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Am I the only one who prefers both raising and folding to calling preflop?

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Nope.

durron597 · #10 12-08-2005, 11:17 AM

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Top 2 vs. Bottom set is always brutal. Who was your villian? Against Toro, for example, I just call the turn checkraise and call his river lead.

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Thanks Durron... it was Patrico - and he's usually pretty good at mixing up his strategy I think... so was hard for me to read. (Thanx for the insight on Toro... for another time!)

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Actually I would just call Patricio also [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. I'd also just call against cha59, bluefeet, and mark24, and others.

I play it like you did against, well, me... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], LittleStuey, macattack, gumpzilla, others..