Embarrassed by how I played this AKs

mockingbird · #1 07-06-2005, 09:51 AM

I know this ia a pretty straight forward hand, but feedback will be apreciated anyway.

Seems like I should have check/called the turn and check/folded the river????? Any opinions????

Do I cap this pre-flop w/AKs? If I had I might have been able to get BB to fold.

Thanks in advance.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

BB had 55 for 2 pair 5's and 4's

McGahee · #2 07-06-2005, 09:57 AM

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Seems like I should have check/called the turn and check/folded the river?????

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yes

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Do I cap this pre-flop w/AKs?

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yes

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If I had I might have been able to get BB to fold.

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doubtful

jba · #3 07-06-2005, 09:58 AM

yes, cap that preflop.

I thought the flop was fine... if I think EP players are fishy and will call two cold and then check the turn I might raise here.

the turn is fine I think, but part of the reason that you're betting this turn is to gain control of the pot, so hopefully your opponents will check to you on the river. Here you only have A high. AQ and busted flush draws are not going to call you but pairs probably will. check the river through.

Rah · #4 07-06-2005, 12:55 PM

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yes, cap that preflop.

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Why are all of you so eager to cap this preflop? Worst case scenario, hero is up against AA/KK and a giant dog. Best case scenario, one QQ/JJ and one AQ/AJ in which case hero is still a dog. Capping won't isolate, since someone calling three bets cold will also call four bets cold. Yes, AK is suited, but that doesn't add so much value that capping is warranted here.
Capping will also make sure that we aren't getting more info on UTG who may cap if hero won't.

All in all, this "always cap with AK" attitude is strange, especially without motivation. Seriously, if there is any time when AK should not be capped, it is in UTG+2 facing three bets.

GrunchCan · #5 07-06-2005, 01:07 PM

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All in all, this "always cap with AK" attitude is strange

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There is no 'always' in poker. Anyone who says always cap PF with AKs is wrong.

I do cap here, however. Of course, AKs has a lot of equity, and that is a consideration. But *relative position* is a much bigger consideration here. By capping PF, Hero closes the action and effectively slams the door on any other opponent's ability to have the relative button. Of course, someone behind Hero could call 4 cold, giving them the button. But this is very unlikely even at a loose passive table, and if it does happen Hero can safely slow down postflop unless he flops the nuts.

Mostly I cap PF because of the situation it puts me in postflop if I flop good, like Hero did here. It's not as likely as some suggest that Hero has the best hand, but its not impossible. But Hero probably has a huge equity edge, so he should try to get as much in to the pot as possible. The best way to do this is if everyone checks to him, he bets, and is raised. Then Hero can reraise. This is a dream scenario for hero on the flop.

Mister Z · #6 07-06-2005, 01:40 PM

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Capping won't isolate, since someone calling three bets cold will also call four bets cold.

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This isn't true at all.

bigalt · #7 07-06-2005, 02:44 PM

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Capping won't isolate, since someone calling three bets cold will also call four bets cold.

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This isn't true at all.

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AND it's not unheard of for the initial preflop raiser to fold to two more coming back at him. by the way, is that correct, with something like AQo?

Rah · #8 07-06-2005, 03:58 PM

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Capping won't isolate, since someone calling three bets cold will also call four bets cold.

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This isn't true at all.

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Often it is.

mantasm · #9 07-06-2005, 10:00 AM

Yes, cap this preflop. Raise the flop, there's a good chance you have the best hand and you have lots of outs if you don't. I think the turn bet is ok, given the action so far you may have the best hand, but I'd usually take the free card. When you get to the river, definitely take a free showdown. A better hand is never folding, especially on this board.

PokerBob · #10 07-06-2005, 10:15 AM

I check the river. And raising this flop is a must.