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03-18-2005, 08:02 PM
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I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
9/18 Commerce with sfer to my left. We've been playing donktasticly all night and we can't stop. 2 limpers to an LP Asian donk with British teeth who raises. I 3-bet J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the SB, sfer is disappointed his cards aren't suited and folds, limpers call, Asian guy caps. (17 SB)
Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I bet, limpers call, Asian guy finds a $100 bill in his wad of $1 bills and calls. (10.5BB) Turn is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something, I bet, all call again. (14.5BB) River is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I check, limper 1 checks, limper 2 who is unknown but is obviously very loose bets, Asian donk folds, I fold? 
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#2
03-18-2005, 08:24 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
If you're the very loose guy and see the bull in the china shop (you) check now, another guy check and the only guy left behind you hasn't raised since the flop when he probably would've if he had a big diamond, wouldn't you consider taking a stab at this nice little pot sometimes?
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#3
03-18-2005, 08:28 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
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9/18 Commerce with sfer to my left. We've been playing donktasticly all night and we can't stop. 2 limpers to an LP Asian donk with British teeth who raises. I 3-bet J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the SB, sfer is disappointed his cards aren't suited and folds, limpers call, Asian guy caps. (17 SB) Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I bet, limpers call, Asian guy finds a $100 bill in his wad of $1 bills and calls. (10.5BB) Turn is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something, I bet, all call again. (14.5BB) River is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I check, limper 1 checks, limper 2 who is unknown but is obviously very loose bets, Asian donk folds, I fold? [/ QUOTE ] call and swear
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#4
03-18-2005, 08:34 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
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call and swear [/ QUOTE ] What he said. And what the other guy said too, if you're the last to act, wouldn't you be getting pretty good odds to bet with ANY two cards on that board if your opponents will fold? Did you not bet the river because you were worried about being bluff-raised by the LAG?
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#7
03-18-2005, 10:35 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
All of this bet the river stuff applies less in games where folding to a river bet is easy. I have no idea whether the player fits the description, but folding this on the river is often a lot easier and safer in a B&M game.
But yeah, I would bet the river. Hand is too good. -Michael
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#8
03-19-2005, 10:55 AM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
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bet. the. river. [/ QUOTE ] no. effing. way. Ed, I have a lot of respect for you. Michael David and others who are advocating betting the river, but I just don't see it here. In fact I think it is pretty bad. No better hand is going to fold and it is going to be vey hard for even a donk who doesn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to call here given how aggressive bakku has played the hand. They nedd to not only worry about someone else having made a flush but the hand that bakku has been betting all along. Yes, Hero can safely fold to a raise, but so what. The assumption here that you guys are making is that it is going to cost you one bet anyway, so you might as well bet. But by checking you may, in fact, save yourself a BB when you are beat. If Hero checks it may get checked through even though someone has a small flush (which hand would have called the bet), so Hero saves a BB. If Hero checks, it might get bet and raised so Hero can safely fold. Or, it might get bet with two overcalls and Hero might also be able to safely fold in that situation. Also, let's revisit the "Hero can safely fold to a raise" view. Hero bets, two folds, and the player to Hero's right raises. Can Hero still safely fold. With everyone else out Hero has to at least now consider the possibility of a bluff raise. Having to pay off 2 BB here when beat would just suck. In sum, I like check-calling ere and hoping to catch a bluff.
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#9
03-19-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
firstly, i suck at this game, so you may well be right. on the other hand, as scrub once put it in an nl thread, "People make moves on Ed all the time, but they rarely think they're making a move. His physical appearance, playing style, and insistence on chattering during hands all insure that he gets more action than he knows what to do with from people with stuff like missed overcards." maybe my table image has something to do with this being a value bet for me and not for you?
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#10
03-19-2005, 01:20 PM
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Re: I check/fold river. sfer thinks I\'m dumb.
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In sum, I like check-calling ere and hoping to catch a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] word. induce the bluff. too many opponents to bet the river, someone has probably got the [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] but you only have to be right 8% of the time for this call to be profitable. since you know you will fold to a raise, let someone else do the dirty work. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - I like the movie Crush Goove
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