Concept of Chopping Blinds

[steamboatin]

Unless the player just sat down and had to sit out until the button passes. Then the villian could be in the small blind when you are on the button.

[PITTM]

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chopping is all about saving rake, but if you think you have the advantage at your table, then chopping is EV-.


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Hey Granny

Isn't chopping by definition EV neutral, regardless of any advantage you may have?

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this is a pretty weak question. while i agree with grannys logic here(woah). i usually always chop if my neighbor wants to. however, chopping is not ev neutral in terms of expectation. if i am the small blind and the big blind is a weak player, i should probably be raising MOST of my holdings and outplaying them postflop, which is more +ev than just chopping the blinds. i guess its related to the economic concept of opportunity cost.

rj

[PITTM]

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I had a situation once where I was the SB and I held KK, it was folded to me and the BB asked If i wanted to chop. I said no and I raised. This really upset the BB who called me a greedy Son of A B*** and he would teach me a lesson.
He 3 bet and I capped.

To make a long story short I flopped 3 K's and he flopped 2 pair. We got into a raisng war and I dragged down a $300 pot.

About an hour later he got a seat change and the same situation came up again and I was dealt something like 94o and I asked if the BB wanted to chop, he said ok and sure enough I was glared at and called a couple of names by the other player who I was in a blind war with earlier.

I"m there to play poker and take people's money, not make friends. If I have a premium hand why would I fold? And on the other hand If i had a garbage hand and could chop why wouldn't I jump at the opportunity not to?

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bs. chop always or never chop. boooo to you.

rj

[CountDuckula]

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Why was I in the wrong?

There are no "rules" about chopping.

Why would I chop a premium hand where I could make some money? why would I want to lose 1/2 BB on a crap hand if I don't have to?

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No, it's not against the rules, but it is angle shooting. You're a jerk.

-Mike

[Randy_Refeld]

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if i am the small blind and the big blind is a weak player, i should probably be raising MOST of my holdings and outplaying them postflop, which is more +ev than just chopping the blinds

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You are going to outplay them enough to overcome being out of position and the rake?

[PITTM]

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if i am the small blind and the big blind is a weak player, i should probably be raising MOST of my holdings and outplaying them postflop, which is more +ev than just chopping the blinds

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You are going to outplay them enough to overcome being out of position and the rake?

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i imagine i could. im just giving the only possible justification i can think of for why not chopping would be +ev. as i said, however, i always chop, so i BARELY buy my explanation. and you still have to pay 1/2 rake at bay101 when you chop anyways.

rj

[jogumon]

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Why was I in the wrong?

There are no "rules" about chopping.

Why would I chop a premium hand where I could make some money? why would I want to lose 1/2 BB on a crap hand if I don't have to?

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In all of the time I've been playing live, I've never seen someone selectively chop. I've only even seen a handful of players who refused to chop, though they were consistent about it. You must be the biggest a**hole ever. Congratulations.

After the rake, and tip (I'm assuming you tip, but since it's not in the rules, and it's -EV, i guess you don't), the +EV of not chopping doesn't nearly come close to the +EV of not appearing like a douchebag to everyone else at the poker room you play at, having them hate you, and try harder to take your money.

Other than that, I think you're chopping strategy is brilliant.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

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and was thinking "WTF? you're an a-hole," as I glared at him.


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Funny, just last night some old dude who had been chopping with his neighbor to the right raised my BB out of the SB when folded to him, and I actually SAID....WTF, you're an as.shole

[Stellastarr]

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Last night I was playing at a local charity event (Rockford Charity Games, for the locals), in which a situation arose where everyone folded around to me when I was in the small blind. Before looking at my hole cards, I offered a chop to Bob (for the sake of the story, I'm calling him Bob). Bob said "No, lets play it out," so I look at my hole cards, and muck the garbage I held, and slid the chips over to Bob (in hindsight, I think he was looking for me to get in). The next time the blinds hit us, same situation happens, I again muck the cards because I figure he doesn't want to chop, and slide the chips to him. I didn't even bother asking, because of his actions from the previous round.

As time passes, a new player sits down at the table between Bob and I. A few orbits pass after the new player sat down, and I found myself one before the button. Everyone folds to me, I fold, button folds, and it's up to Bob and the big blind. Bob goes, "You want to chop?," and big blind is more than happy to do so.

Here lies my problem.

Is this proper? I've played in a few B&M settings, and have only played a few times where anyone ever brought up a chop. As I understood the chop 'rule' is that if the table agrees to it, then it should be followed all the time, even if one of the players is holding AA. Or is the chop rule based upon the people you are sitting next to?

I didn't say anything out loud, and I mumbled something under my breath about his action, and was thinking "WTF? you're an a-hole," as I glared at him.

Should I have been mad about this, and spoke up about it? Or am I in the wrong? If I am wrong, what is the proper way to handle a chopping situation.

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This happend to me at Canterbury 4/8 once. So everytime it was folded to me in the sb I would raise his BB. He folded everytime. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I also sucked out on him a couple of times on the river. woot! Karma is a bitch.

[tinga81]

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btw, what do you think of the rockford games? i used to go there all the time before i was big on online poker, played 2-5 and most recently did a few SNGs -- the games seem pretty donkified and the SNG players are almost all far dumber than party skin players, often completely clueless


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The games aren't too difficult, imo. The 5/10 wasn't too terrible (first time I had played the level at RCG), kind of soft, and we had the occasional donk sit down at the table. I sat down at the 2/5 table before I moved to the 5/10 (as I was waiting for a game), I didn't see too many hands at the 2/5 table, and saw this happen: capped preflop with 6 (maybe 7) to the flop. The winning hand ended up being Ten/Deuce of hearts (as the kid proclaims "Thank you Doyle," and kisses his cards). Everyone else flipped over garbage, excpet for the one holding KK who took a hard beat. I was in the BB next hand, and I go "don't even bother, I'm outta here."

I haven't given the SNG's a shot, as I heard they're crapshoots (with the ridiculous blind structure) and their terrible players. I guess that's what you'd ultimately want at the table, but then those are the people you are getting pissed at in the end.