Middle set w/ 8-9-T-Q on board.

VarlosZ · #1 09-10-2005, 02:13 PM

Party $1/$2, no read on villain. Villain starts w/ $174, I cover. I'm in SB w/ TT. UTG+1 limps, all others fold. I raise to $9, BB folds, villain calls.

Flop (pot=$19): Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet $15, villain calls.

Turn (pot=~$47): 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

What's my line?

EMcWilliams · #2 09-10-2005, 05:32 PM

It seems as if you put villian on Jx. I think it is possible for him to have two pair or a flush draw as well. Id say bet about 1/2 -3/4 the pot as a partial value bet and a partial probe. If he calls I hope the board pairs. I love the re-draw.

troymclur · #3 09-10-2005, 07:48 PM

wouldn't you think two-pair would re-raise the flop to get some information?

KJL · #4 09-10-2005, 06:17 PM

I would probably bet around $25 here. There are other hands besides the straight he could have, even AQ. And if he does have the straight, you still have a 20% chance make a boat or quads on the river.

VarlosZ · #5 09-10-2005, 07:42 PM

Why would I put villain on a J?

troymclur · #6 09-10-2005, 07:46 PM

i'd bet about 25-30. dump to a re-raise. if called, i'd assume flush-draw.

ahnuld · #7 09-10-2005, 07:50 PM

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i'd bet about 25-30. dump to a re-raise. if called, i'd assume flush-draw.

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No. DO NOT DUMP TO RAISE. It all depends on his riase size, but filling up against a straight will get his stack. You can always check raise if hes dumb enough to bet a flush draw. But i like leading for 40 the best. If he moves allin its a judgement call but QT QJ KJ AQ AA KK AJ 88 99 JJ QQ are his probable range (not talking about flush draw, which is a def. possibility) and you are only losing to 3 of those hands.

troymclur · #8 09-10-2005, 10:51 PM

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i'd bet about 25-30. dump to a re-raise. if called, i'd assume flush-draw.

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No. DO NOT DUMP TO RAISE. It all depends on his riase size, but filling up against a straight will get his stack. You can always check raise if hes dumb enough to bet a flush draw. But i like leading for 40 the best. If he moves allin its a judgement call but QT QJ KJ AQ AA KK AJ 88 99 JJ QQ are his probable range (not talking about flush draw, which is a def. possibility) and you are only losing to 3 of those hands.

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sorry, was 'pos to read as push, not raise.

ryanghall · #9 09-10-2005, 10:06 PM

I'd bet around 2/3 pot and see what happens.

Why did you not bet at least the pot size on that terrifying flop?

Ryan

VarlosZ · #10 09-10-2005, 10:18 PM

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Why did you not bet at least the pot size on that terrifying flop?

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Force of habit. Agreed that I probably should have bet more.

It's awful hard to put him on a straight. He wouldn't call the $15 with just a gutshot, which leaves QJ, JT, or, say, AcJc. Would he really limp/call in early position with those hands?

I figured he had to bet that turn whatever he has if I checked, which I did. He bet $50, I put him all in for $100 more. He called . . . w/ JJ. Oops, forgot about that hand. River was no help.