Good turn fold?

kidcolin · #1 03-01-2005, 12:57 AM

BB seems like a decent player. Never gets too out of line. He's not a chronic BB defender, so when he calls he must have something half-way decent. This is the type of hand I'm never too sure about afterward. Even if I was behind, do I have odds to see the river? The only hands I think I'm ahead of are A9 type hands, maybe 88 or TT?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

dave44 · #2 03-01-2005, 01:23 AM

I'm at least calling the turn since I have outs and possibly hidden ones against 2-pair getting 9.2:1.

kidcolin · #3 03-01-2005, 01:27 AM

I thought about that, but the only real hand I think he'd call with that could be two pair is J9. There's a possibility he overvalues suited cards in the BB and called with something like 96s.

I was also running over the table and had been raising a lot (just a solid run of cards), so maybe he was fed up as well and was pushing his 9 for all it was worth. You're probably right about seeing the turn.

RunDownHouse · #4 03-01-2005, 01:51 AM

How about AJ? TT?

No way I fold this turn. And not only for the merits of this particular hand, but metagame-type reasons.

kidcolin · #5 03-01-2005, 02:09 AM

Maybe just calling down after the flop is a good idea?

helpmeout · #6 03-01-2005, 05:44 AM

Call the turn, raise the river.

You dont want him to fold the turn with a worse hand nor do you want to see the river after he 3bets.

If you raise the river he will have to have a much better hand to 3bet, because he knows you wont be semi bluffing.

mperich · #7 03-01-2005, 05:57 AM

I dont like a river raise here, and Im a big fan of river value betting. He doesnt have KJ. I call down and expect to lose but I want to see what he takes a bet -> 3bet line with as opposed to a c/r turn line. FWIW I think he has a set and he played it very well.