Set o' Eights

colgin · #1 11-23-2005, 10:12 AM

MP is loose pre-flop (and fairly passive) and very passive post-flop. Comments are appreciated.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP calls, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP raises, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (14.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

mute · #2 11-23-2005, 11:16 AM

I think you gotta 3-bet that turn. Only reasonable hands you are behind are 99 and QQ, and BB might well call two cold here.

The way this played out, I think leading the river is good. You get to 3bet if he has a Q, and he might check behind with AA or KK, when the board pairs, and even if a checkraise was succesfull, you could end up making the same if the river donk could elicit a weak call from BB.

wheelz · #3 11-23-2005, 11:18 AM

he's that passive that the turn raise means definitely 99, QQ, or JT? i suppose playing any of those hands like that is possible from him, but i can't think of any player i wouldn't 3-bet the turn against.

brazilio · #4 11-23-2005, 11:18 AM

I just checkraise the river. He's showing a lot of strength here on the turn, and 3x gaybets get everybody nervous.

mtdoak · #5 11-23-2005, 11:22 AM

I love a river check raise here. MP is representing a straight, so no way he is checking through. If he JUST as a queen, he's going to bet as well.

#6 11-23-2005, 11:31 AM

3-bet preflop

colgin · #7 11-23-2005, 11:35 AM

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he's that passive that the turn raise means definitely 99, QQ, or JT? i suppose playing any of those hands like that is possible from him, but i can't think of any player i wouldn't 3-bet the turn against.

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I am not sure; that is the problem. A lot of players you could see playing AQ or KQ this way, but I don't see MP raising the turn with just TPTK after I have shown such strength and there is still one other player in the hand to contend with. I also see two pair holdings as fairly unlikely. Still, I felt kind of sick not re-raising the turn.

Jdanz · #8 11-23-2005, 11:37 AM

the only possible reason i'm not rerasising the turn is to keep the other guy in, certainly not because i think i'm beat.

Given that, i'm raising the turn.

Given how it played out, i like the river check-raise

colgin · #9 11-23-2005, 11:38 AM

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I love a river check raise here. MP is representing a straight, so no way he is checking through. If he JUST as a queen, he's going to bet as well.

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The thought of the sexy certainly went through my mind and I think that is what I probably should have done. I was of course worried about it getting checked through. But if villain does have the straight that I was worried about, he should not necessarily be too concerned by the board pairing given the way I played the turn.

Jdanz · #10 11-23-2005, 11:42 AM

i don't think there is anything wrong with betting out, the river check raise is easily overused. I like it here, but betting out certainly isn't "bad".