Routine play or huge suck out?

[PseudoPserious]

2-4 HE at the local Indian casino. Table is loose and passive, 10-handed. I have a decent read on most of the players.

I'm in the Big Blind with Ad 3d. 8 limpers to me, including the SB. I check.

Flop: Td 3h 2c (8 SB in the pot, 9 players)

Checked around to MP, who bets. I put her on top pair, as she'll call with any piece of the flop but only bet with top pair or better. 2 LP callers, SB folds. I call. 1 EP calls.

Turn: 2d [ Td 3h 2c ] (6 BB in the pot, 5 players)

Checked around to MP, who bets. Both LPs fold. I call. EP folds.

River: 3c [ 2d Td 3h 2c ] (8 BB in the pot, 2 players)

I check. MP bets. I raise. MP calls. She shows T6o and my full house is good.

I was roundly criticized at the table for my "huge suckout". The guy on my right said he thought I was a better player than that. I kinda shrugged and said that I figured it was my turn to win a hand.

On the flop, I figured that I'd win the pot with any '3' or 'A' (5 outs). Putting MP on top pair (Tx), I have 5 wins out of 46 cards, so that's just over 8:1. With the backdoor flush draw, I'd call on the flop with as little as 6 or 7 SB in the pot.

On the turn, I'm only a 2:1 dog, so that call is automatic. In another game, I might raise as a semi-bluff, but MP will not fold top pair here, and I don't want to chase EP out.

To me, my play was fairly routine. But since I'm new to poker, what I consider routine is only correct about half the time, so I thought I'd ask for some feedback.

Thanks,
PP

[Nate tha' Great]

As routine as it gets. Nice hand.

[Schmed]

In situations like this I like to tell them...'I wanted to C/R the flop'..... or...'I was ahead the entire way'... they hate that last one...... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Heck you should have probably bet out on the flop. Make the overcards go away. You caught the nut flush draw on the turn, you could have jammed it there too, you most likely had 14 outs to the river, (3 A's, 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 's , 2 3's).

[JDErickson]

Nice hand

just say: "Yep, I sure did get lucky on that one"

[AviD]

I think you played the hand just fine.

If your read on your opponent is correct...you are drawing on roughly 9:1 odds on the flop and the immediate pot odds to you on your flop call are 11:1, making it OK.

The turn diamond improves your outs tremendously...going from 9:1 to roughly 3:1, assuming your A, 3, and of course flush outs are good.

So, your turn call is just fine as you are getting 7:1 pot odds...and spiking the 3 on the river for the boat is what you were after.

I say good hand, and let them keep on thinking you played it incorrectly.

[2000Flushes]

I don't consider this a suck out at all, you had a good read on your opponent and knew the odds of improving over that, with the pot laying you proper odds besed on your read I think you played it fine.

[BugsBunny]

I think the turn call is marginal at best. If you're sure she has top pair you have 5 outs, but all 5 outs may not be clean. If she's holding AT then your A outs are tainted, which means you're drawing to a 2 outer. So take away one out for the possibility of tainted A's. That leaves 4 outs. That means you need 10.5 to 1 to justify the call.

Even with all 5 outs being good that's 8.2 to 1 against, but you're only getting 7 to 1. I think I fold here if I'm pretty sure of my read of top pair. If it's possible that she has overcards instead then it becomes a different situation and the call becomes OK, since it's possible that you actually have the best hand at the moment. In that situation I might even c/r the turn.

Edit: I missed the fact that you had picked up the flush draw on the turn - that changes matters considerably, to put it mildly. The call on the turn becomes mandatory [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[AviD]

Bugs, flush outs too...tremendous turn improvement on his drawing odds.

Without the flush odds...the call is indeed no good IMO.

[PseudoPserious]

<< Heck you should have probably bet out on the flop. Make the overcards go away. You caught the nut flush draw on the turn, you could have jammed it there too, you most likely had 14 outs to the river, (3 A's, 9 's , 2 3's). >>

This is part that I wasn't sure about -- should I have been more aggressive at any point?

I didn't bet on the flop because I didn't think I could chase out any hand that was beating me (Tx, 66, etc.). I don't think I want to chase out overcards (KJ, etc.), since with 8 other players I'm likely behind to a T somewhere -- I need to improve to win the pot anyway, so let them all pay me if I make my hand.

I didn't raise the turn because I wanted an overcall from EP. If EP folded, I wasn't getting the odds on a raise heads-up against MP. I suppose I could have raised anyway, hoping EP had enough of a hand to call 2 bets, or bet out and hoped that EP would call and MP would raise.

Also, is A3s strong enough to raise from the BB against 8 limpers?

Possibly Passive,
PP

[AviD]

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Also, is A3s strong enough to raise from the BB against 8 limpers?

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No