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Old 12-01-2005, 06:43 PM
theblitz theblitz is offline
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Default Trying To understand my loses

I have been doing really badly on Prima.
Suffer there more than anywhere else.

I have my fair share of bad beats (like losing $102 with AA all-in pre-flop).

However, looking over my stats I see that most over my lost money seems from small amounts.

I am talking about NL $100 (0.50/1.0 nlinda)
Out of my total hands played (5,237) only 46 have loses of $10 or more as opposed to over 60 wins over over $10.
All the rest are smallish numbers with many of them being 1 or 2 dollars.
Problem is that these mount up very quickly.

The $102 loss today with the AA is by far the biggest loss I have had with one hand. In fact the next hand down is -40 and the one after that is -25.
On the other hand - I have 2 big wins (over 90 each) and many more over 40 and over 25.

So, where is all the money going?
Am I not making enough out of my wins (doesn't appear so since I have some nice big wins)?

There are many hands, of course, where I am losing just the blinds.
In the BB I am down $404 after posting total blinds of $1,000.
in the SB I am down $287 after positng blinds of $500.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:45 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

a) play less tables
b) tighten up pre-flop
c) look over all your big winners & losers for any given session
d) post hands.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

everybody's numbers in bb is down and most likely sb as well.

its impossible without a pattern mapper to be positive money in bb.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

Your post isn't really specific, but I'll try to help.

#1 Are you playing within your bankroll? If you're upset about these losses, which seem insignificant to me, I'm thinking you aren't. Also, if you can't handle losing a buy-in by getting Aces cracked, I think you should reconsider playing cards. If you got your money in preflop with the best hand, you played right.

#2 Have you looked at your starting hand requirements? Are you opening or worse yet, open-limping with marginal holdings out of position? I really think that you need to look at this closely. If most of your losses are small, then you're likely limping out of position with weak holdings and check-folding the flop. As you said, these add up.

#3 I'll say it now because someone's going to beat me to it: 5K hands is a small sample size (and I'm liberal about sample sizes).

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:54 PM
theblitz theblitz is offline
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

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a) play less tables

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Maybe I should try that.
I play 3 or 4 at once.
Maybe I will switch to one and see how I do.

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b) tighten up pre-flop

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Already my VPIP is only 14.5%. And this is for 6-max.

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c) look over all your big winners & losers for any given session.

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I try to but never seem to know exactly what I am looking for.

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d) post hands.

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I do that. But, as above, it is difficult to know what hands to post.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

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everybody's numbers in bb is down and most likely sb as well.

its impossible without a pattern mapper to be positive money in bb.

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what is a pattern mapper?
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: Trying To understand my loses

start with the hands that you are calling raises with. due to the small sample size you might not even be playing badly. we don't know what your total losses are nor do we know your vpip/pfr/af.
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:03 PM
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everybody's numbers in bb is down and most likely sb as well.

its impossible without a pattern mapper to be positive money in bb.

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what is a pattern mapper?

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something that allows you to know what cards are coming up.
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:03 PM
theblitz theblitz is offline
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

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#1 Are you playing within your bankroll? If you're upset about these losses, which seem insignificant to me, I'm thinking you aren't. Also, if you can't handle losing a buy-in by getting Aces cracked, I think you should reconsider playing cards.

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I probably shouldn't have quoted that specific AA case. Losing those is not what upset me (though I didn't ENJOY it).
I was talking about my overall numbers.
That's why I stated the fact that I seem to have loads of small loses rather than many big ones.

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#2 Have you looked at your starting hand requirements? Are you opening or worse yet, open-limping with marginal holdings out of position? I really think that you need to look at this closely. If most of your losses are small, then you're likely limping out of position with weak holdings and check-folding the flop. As you said, these add up.

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That sounds like a good direction.
I will try to focus more on the smallish loses.
As you say, I will look at hands where I limped pre-flop and then folded on the flop.
Of course, many of them will be ok (like small PP etc.) but I am sure I will find many ones that are not.
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Old 12-01-2005, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Trying yo understand my loses

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everybody's numbers in bb is down and most likely sb as well.

its impossible without a pattern mapper to be positive money in bb.

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what is a pattern mapper?

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something that allows you to know what cards are coming up.

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ahhh.. one of those might improve my game..
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