Argueing with the floor about time collection

[SA125]

I'm playing the Borgata $20-40. Its $7 every half hour when changing dealers. It's around dinner time and the must move game is coming into the main game in droves. Two guys come in and say they paid at the must move table. The dealer is lost and has no control of the situation. We have 6 guys who've been at the main game. I pay.

When the dust settles, 2 guys are light and naturally, being the stand up guys they are, won't admit it. Dealer starts accusing guys, they're getting insulted, blah, blah, blah. The floor is called and the situation explained. They walk away saying they're going to the camera.

They come back 20 minutes later and tell the dealer drop the time. I ask about the 2 missing times. The floor tells me he's giving those 2 guys a break and, being I already paid, it doesn't concern me.

I can't believe what I'm hearing and tell him it's simple. Either we all pay time or none at all. There's no other fair way to do it. We all pay or none at all. He makes 2 guys (regulars) pay. They don't argue.

I found this handling and decision making by the floor of AC's top shelf casino/hotel to be ridiculously unprofessional and stupid. If he had any sense at all, he'd just say "Okay fella's, this one's on us" and remind his employees to do a better job of collecting the houses money.

Instead of putting me in a spot where I have to speak up for myself to keep from being screwed by others at the table.

I don't see how you were being screwed. There is no question that you had been at the table the whole time and owed time. It was unclear whether or not the csts from the must move table had paid or not, so the floor cut them a break. How does that constitute you getting screwed?

[SA125]

It's simple. Three clear points. One - pot isn't being raked. So when guys don't pay time and you do, they're doing more than beating the house. They're making a sucker out of you because they can win pots totally cost free while you're paying to play it.

Second - when it comes to public activities and entertainment that you pay for, there should be one set of rules for everyone. Whether it's allowing all people to play, no matter their color. Or charging everyone the same, no matter who they are.

Three - this is the most obvious. When you return something to Home Depot they never argue with you. Smart business. No wonder they're so successful. Borgata is a huge business, expanding their poker room and looking to take players away. I usually play at Taj. This would have been a good way to show they care more about the players than making $42 during a major mistake by their dealer. Make everyone pay or, better yet, eat it.

I agree that from a customer service standpoint they should have eaten it. But personally, as a player, I'm gonna give the must move cats the benefit of the doubt and not make a fuss about it. I'm gonna pay the time regardless of what their situation is. My ass has been there for the past half hour and there's no doubt about that, so I'm paying. Once you play the "I'm not paying if they don't" card, you're angle shooting. Besides, it was one round. It's not like management was going to give them a free pass for the rest of the night.

On a side note, $14/hour time charge on a 20/40 limit game... is this standard??? Sounds like highway robbery to me.

[sirpupnyc]

Unless there's more to the story, I think you're overreacting.

If a dealer fails to collect someone else's time once, it's the house's problem. It's not your job to make sure the house's money is correctly collected by the house's employees. Once is an oversight, let it go. If it's happening often or intentionally sure, mention it to the floor. Steal a blind from each of the guys who didn't pay if you're so bothered, but it seems terribly nitty to get so worked up about a one-time thing.

[sdc]

agreed

you sound alot like my old lady sticking ur nose into places it doesnt belong

you do not benefit/ or lose out from whether or not the players just sat down had pay there rake @ the new or the old table

just holding up the game by whining about something that doesnt really effect you

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

You were (and are) wrong on all levels. The fact that someone is given a free half hour of play has no effect on you and you should just relax and STFU. They owe you nothing and you were not taken advantage of you. They are not shorting the pot so they are not making a sucker out of you -- in fact, in a small way it helps you because their time money remains on the table for you to win.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

This is one of the most ridiculous situations of all times. First off, the collection procedure requires that each person's time is placed in front of them, just like a bet, so the dealer can verify it's the right amount, then bring it all in at the same time. There should be no opportunity for people to angle shoot, and there should be NO doubt who paid, and who didn't.

Next, the floor's decision to let the regulars slide after going to the tape (if he even did go to the tape) is absolutely reprehensible. The only acceptable reason for anyone not to pay time at this table is if they paid time for this half hour already at the other table, which should be easy to ascertain by asking the other dealer. Failure to collect their time is a major violation of the floor's duty to protect the house's drop. If upper management or surveillance spotted this debacle, I wouldn't be surprised if the floor got fired over it.

Finally, what a couple of scumbags to claim they paid time at the other table when they actually DIDN'T. Multiple compounding errors here, especially these two, who should be repeatedly kicked in the nuts, THEN thrown out of the casino (head first).

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I have to agree with SA here. Good points.

al

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Failure to collect their time is a major violation of the floor's duty to protect the house's drop. If upper management or surveillance spotted this debacle, I wouldn't be surprised if the floor got fired over it.

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But you're not management. You're a player. So why would you give a f-ck whether or not they f-cked themselves over for 14 bucks?

Jesus, let the house do their job and just play cards. Why must there always be 1 or 2 busybodies at every table?