20/40 7CS/8 ? Expensive Third Street Call With a Live Flush - Page 2

Rick Nebiolo · #11 04-08-2003, 05:12 AM

andy,

actually i think Hero would be better off with a six of hearts up than the ace of hearts. after aggressive player reraises the action kill with an ace the six will be scarier to the ace and the rest of the field. cold calling with the ace after an ace shows strength without being able to reraise is very weak IMO.

~ rick

Rick Nebiolo · #12 04-08-2003, 05:15 AM

Paul,

i agree. in this case it cost Hero $60 when she took one off after catching a banana of fourth.

do they play this game at Foxwoods/Mohegan?

regards,

rick

Rick Nebiolo · #13 04-08-2003, 05:18 AM

deadbart,

i asked Hero what where the chances that the ace wouldn't reraise to $40 and she said less than 20%. she should have saved the $5 for a fruit plate.

~ rick

jesseka · #14 04-14-2003, 12:12 PM

Rick Nebiolo · #15 04-15-2003, 01:26 AM

jesseka,

Hero is my one and only poker student and the most special person in my life WILSFM [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img] .

I used to post illustrative holdem hands she played as "Student" on the mid limit forum but over time her play shined brighter then mine so "Hero" seemed more appropriate. In any event, "Hero" is sort of a generic player in threads from many 2+2 posters and it just sounded better than "Student" so I started using it.

These days she mostly plays 20/40 stud/8 at the Bicycle Club and may be one of the most personable and well liked mid limit players around town. I'm not sure if any of the posters on the stud forum have played her though (if they do they keep their identity a secret).

Regards,

Rick

J_V · #16 04-15-2003, 05:05 AM

I don't know what the other posters are thinking here, but this is stud 8 and a VERY easy fold. The other factors make it so obvious that it is a fold, I can only assume people assumed it was stud high. Maybe Zee will chime in and prove me right.

Rick Nebiolo · #17 04-15-2003, 10:41 AM

J_V,

I thought it was an easy fold too.

In the lead post I mention "eight or better", "action bet" and "banana" and other H/L split terms so I don't think anyone would think this hand is from high stud. Besides, my dozen or so posts on this forum are all about stud eight or better and several of the respondents have answered before.

In my initial response I hated the call for two bets but thought calling for one bet (had it been an avialable option) was at worse close. Maybe even I'm too loose [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick

J_V · #18 04-16-2003, 03:19 AM

One reason it's an easy fold is because the later streets are not going to be soft. Leads will be changing left and right and the players in the lead for the low will be jamming the pot attempting to drive players out. Even if you catch on fourth, you are in a real predicament. The only way you'll get to see if your low gets there is if you catch a four flush on fourth. Very unlikely you can see fifth otherwise. IMO, its way far from close.

Rick Nebiolo · #19 04-17-2003, 02:49 AM

J_V,

I assume you meant that it wasn't even close for one complete bet.

~ Rick

Ray Zee · #20 04-20-2003, 01:27 AM

hero should have chucked the hand and saved the 5 bucks and given it to me for signing her book.
three flush is only playable in the good spots. it is easy to see this is a bad spot. she is facing certain raises and playing against small cards and an ace. all bad spots to be in.
if she does limp she needs to fold for the reraise to 40 as that means she is certainly against good hands, that will weaken her chances further.

even is seven stud high this hand doesnt hold alot of water if its reraised to you.