preflop question - KQs

[joker122]

"KQs is likely to be dominated here."

I don't see your reasoning behind this. Don't you think, given the amount of players in (zero), and the player's position, that his raising standards could be less stringent than AK, AQ, and big pairs?

[sthief09]

StellarWind put it perfectly. most players have almost identical raising standards in this position as they do UTG. maybe I'm just an idiot but for the first few months I played I had no clue you were supposed to raise a lot ligher when you're opening close to the button.

[joker122]

"StellarWind put it perfectly. most players have almost identical raising standards in this position as they do UTG. maybe I'm just an idiot but for the first few months I played I had no clue you were supposed to raise a lot ligher when you're opening close to the button. "

All I can say is that I have found this to be untrue.

[unome]

I'm 3 betting my suited KQ in this spot. This could be a good opportunity to get some information on the unknown player even if you end up losing it.

[lil']

I'm 3 betting my suited KQ in this spot. This could be a good opportunity to get some information on the unknown player even if you end up losing it.
Playing this to the end and losing is a horrible price to pay for information.

[sublime]

1 caller and I still fold.

You are forgetting 1 main point. Your opponents SUCK, and will call you to the river with ANY piece of the board.

Yeah, you may be dominated but when you are not and flop a strong draw etc you will more tham make up for it. You should be the best post flop player at the table, and if your not its beacuse you spend to much time wondering if its ok to call a preflop raise with KQs on the button with only 1 limper. These decisions are not worth debating when you factor in the mistakes your opponents will make after the flop.

EDIT: Here is an example. Here is a hand that one of our board members posted and didnt even play all that well post flop and still dragged a nice pot:

KQs

[StellarWind]

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I'm 3 betting my suited KQ in this spot. This could be a good opportunity to get some information on the unknown player even if you end up losing it.

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Paying to learn about your opponent is rarely +EV. Just be patient and collect what the other eight guys are paying for.

[sublime]

Just wanted to admit I could very well be wrong. Just at these limits I have a hard time laying down so much hand against these players. Unfortunatly this line of thinking will hinder my play further on in my playing days.

Good stuff as always guys [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

EDIT: I hate admiting I may be wrong [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[arkady]

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If I don't know the guy, I'll toss it and make up my mind later after I gather some more evidence.

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Just don't know why more people adopt this strategy. It seems so common sense to me, but alas at the poker tables opponents are idiots until proven otherwise.

Good reply lil' - would do the exact same thing!