ESPN faked Set of Tens Laydown

Hi, I've been a lurker on here for a while and i think that I have something to add to the discussion of Tommy Reed's laydown of a set of Tens on ESPN's WSOP broadcast last night. There has been speculation on here that ESPN faked the hand (a la Tony D v. Phil Hellmuth in 2003 ME). After looking at the hand on Tivo, it seems pretty clear to me that the hand was faked, and that Tommy Reed did not actually have pocket Tens.

Let's recount the action:
-David Pham open-raises with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
-We see Pham throw his chips in the pot. Then we see Phil Ivey fold his hand. The the camera goes to a closeup on Tommy Reed's face.
-Then we see Reed's pocket cam. We see Reed look at T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. To the right of Reed's cards (from Reed's perspective) are two stacks (probably 20 high) of blue chips.
-We then see Reed's face, and the camera pans down to Reed playing with a blue chip. Then the camera angle changes and we see Reed playing with his chips, with his cards on the far right. There are (what looks like) two stacks of yellow chips on the left, and one stack of blue chips to the right of that. There are no chips to the right of Reed's cards.

In my opinion, the implication of this is that ESPN took footage of Reed looking at pocket Tens from another point in the tournament, and edited that footage into this hand.

One likely counterargument to this post is that the two stacks of blue chips were actually Phil Ivey's chips (since Phil was sitting to Reed's right). But if you look at the shot of Reed contemplating a call, you can see that Ivey's chips are quite far away from Reed's cards.

Kwyjibo

[Wintermute]

HOLY SH!T. YOU FIGURED IT OUT!!!

Next case: Kennedy assassination.

[ClaytonN]

In this case, as was the case with the Tony D. vs. Hellmuth hand, the only way your implication will have merit is if the person actually speaks up and says something.

I recall a respectable poster some time in this forum earlier stating that he had talked (or heard) Tony D. say at the table that he did indeed lay down the trips. So take that for that it's worth.

[B Dids]

The issue with the hands as described last year was that they took the player's words as to what they folded, and then matched up the footage. So the fact that he said it doens't mean much.

[SossMan]

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The issue with the hands as described last year was that they took the player's words as to what they folded, and then matched up the footage. So the fact that he said it doens't mean much.

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yeah, they could have had footage of him claiming to fold the set of TT and then thought: ooh, that will make an interesting hand!

they do have a track record of this stuff, you know.

[slickpoppa]

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The issue with the hands as described last year was that they took the player's words as to what they folded, and then matched up the footage. So the fact that he said it doens't mean much.

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yeah, they could have had footage of him claiming to fold the set of TT and then thought: ooh, that will make an interesting hand!

they do have a track record of this stuff, you know.

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There was a hand last year where Josh Arieh nonchalantly laid down two pair to a modest bet from Marcel Luske's set of aces. That hand was almost definitely faked.

[billyjex]

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The issue with the hands as described last year was that they took the player's words as to what they folded, and then matched up the footage. So the fact that he said it doens't mean much.

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yeah, they could have had footage of him claiming to fold the set of TT and then thought: ooh, that will make an interesting hand!

they do have a track record of this stuff, you know.

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There was a hand last year where Josh Arieh nonchalantly laid down two pair to a modest bet from Marcel Luske's set of aces. That hand was almost definitely faked.

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yeah, that was probably faked. that was also at a table with no pocket cams, as well.

listen, this TT happened for real. he told Pham and Ivey what he folded and they showed the TT.. ESPN is not going that far to fake hands.

I can see Lisandro's laydown being faked because we never got to see the second T and ESPN never did either..

[Sykes]

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The issue with the hands as described last year was that they took the player's words as to what they folded, and then matched up the footage. So the fact that he said it doens't mean much.

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yeah, they could have had footage of him claiming to fold the set of TT and then thought: ooh, that will make an interesting hand!

they do have a track record of this stuff, you know.

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There was a hand last year where Josh Arieh nonchalantly laid down two pair to a modest bet from Marcel Luske's set of aces. That hand was almost definitely faked.

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this hand wasn't faked. I asked arieh about this hand on fulltilt and he said he thought for 2 minutes or so before laying down his hand. Also, he said that Marcel raised pf (obv) and that the board was K(or Q) A T 9. So he's behind alot of hands right there that Marcel could easily have.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

I talked to Tony D during a cash game at the Bike earlier this year, and he confirmed that he did lay down trip Js to Phil Hellmuth as seen on the 2003 ESPN coverage of the Main Event.

I have no idea about Tommy Reed's laydown, other than what I saw on TV. I also would not be surprised if Jeffrey Lisandro's laydown of TT was a misread by the ESPN editors, since it appears they didn't get that good of a look at his cards. However, I don't know if that would qualify as faking a hand or not. They showed us his cards, at least as well as they were visible, and then told us it was TT. Heck, I couldn't even make out one T, let alone both cards.

later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[OrangeKing]

Thanks Greg - I seemed to remember someone confirming this once before, too.

It seems like most of the "faked" hands on the televised tables have turned out, after people actually do some leg work instead of making wild assumptions, to have been accurate. On the other hand, it sounds like the hands that come from the "outer tables" are a completely crapshoot - if we don't see the hands and someone makes a laydown, who knows what they had.