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08-16-2005, 10:48 AM
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Barron\'s on the edge part V.
Found here.. edge part 5 Shouldn't he three bet his opponent on the turn hoping for a fold from the hand which has outs when it seems his opponent may be capable of making such folds given his read of the over pair? if his opponent has kings, his opponent has 12 outs, if he has Aces, he has 8 outs. 
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#2
08-16-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
If I 3-bet, he isn't folding, but rather calling.
On the river, things can beat me easily, so it's best to wait 'til then and see if I'm still winning and then check-raise. If you think there is a good chance you can get your opponent to fold to the 3-bet, I'd do it, but playing live ... he's not folding ever on the turn, and now I'm costing myself potentially an extra bet on the river if he rivers me, whereas the check-raise still gets the same action and I dictate it. I don't think this is a close decision at all given that he won't fold. What do others think? Barron Vangor Toth BarronVangorToth.com
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#3
08-16-2005, 11:33 AM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
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If I 3-bet, he isn't folding, but rather calling. [/ QUOTE ] You don't know unless you try [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] I think you have to give your opponent an oppurtunity to make a mistake. It's really a freeroll IMO. If he folds, that's great.. If he calls, that's OK. You also have to realize that there are a lot of cards which will scare him into checking the river. He may fear a heart, an 8, a Queen or a Jack. Maybe other's like an ace too. He may just check behind. I say get the money in when you know you're ahead, and you know you have the opportunity to raise.
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#4
08-16-2005, 11:44 AM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
Your point taken, if he calls, I'm still extracting identical bets from him.
And I believed then (and do now) that the likelihood of him folding is less likely than him rivering me with his multitude of outs (straight, board pairing anything that doesn't boat me up, or him spiking his set). Barron Vangor Toth BarronVangorToth.com <--- Updated.
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#6
08-16-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
People don't fold premium overpairs even when they should. AA is not folding for one more bet. KK is certainly not folding with a gutshot.
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#7
08-16-2005, 01:31 PM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
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People don't fold premium overpairs even when they should. AA is not folding for one more bet. KK is certainly not folding with a gutshot. [/ QUOTE ] What about the fact that you have an opportunity to raise here, and an uncertain oppurtunity to raise later?
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#8
08-16-2005, 02:01 PM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
Most at Foxwoods are not calling my 3-bet on the turn and then raising my bet on the river OR betting if I check to them on the river without more than an overpair.... especially a guy I know this well.
Barron Vangor Toth BarronVangorToth.com
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#9
08-16-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
It's not necessarily a freeroll. The raise has more value on the river than on the turn, since he can no longer draw out on you.
Likewise, in stud, if you're confident your opponent has a big pair in the hole, and you have two small pair, you should wait until 6th to raise to make sure he doesn't pair.
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#10
08-16-2005, 04:43 PM
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Re: Barron\'s on the edge part V.
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Likewise, in stud, if you're confident your opponent has a big pair in the hole, and you have two small pair, you should wait until 6th to raise to make sure he doesn't pair. [/ QUOTE ] Yep.. good point, but you also may induce a fold if you pair your door card and he can fold incorrectly.
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