Is this line ok?

mugicha · #1 07-03-2005, 12:20 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: (7.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

When I'm behind to a queen I save bets. When not I get him to bluff off chips. But with the turn card completing a flush should I be looking to fold at any point in this hand?

joedot · #2 07-03-2005, 12:24 PM

I would raise the flop, check behind on the turn, and call the river, or bet if checked to again on the river. If 3 bet on the flop it gets trickier, and at that point you'll probably wish you had just called.

Moozh · #3 07-03-2005, 12:25 PM

I think you have to raise the flop to protect your hand. This would be a good line if you had KK on an AA flop. Do you see why?

(Sorry, I always wanted to do that)

mugicha · #4 07-03-2005, 12:30 PM

Yes, KK on an AA flop is not vulnerable to overcards as JJ is. If I raise and get 3 bet here, is it ok to just call down, or should I be looking to fold? At higher limit against trickier opponents I think I call down, but at lower levels I'm not sure.

Moozh · #5 07-03-2005, 12:32 PM

If I get 3-bet, I probably cap the flop and fold to any further aggression on the turn, but that's just me.

Hoi Polloi · #6 07-03-2005, 12:58 PM

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If I get 3-bet, I probably cap the flop and fold to any further aggression on the turn, but that's just me.

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By "further aggression" do you mean if villain leads the turn?

If villain checks, do you check-behind UI and get to showdown for < 2BBs?

Moozh · #7 07-03-2005, 02:06 PM

Yeah, by further aggression, I'd fold to any bet or raise by our opponent. I'm not sure what line I like if he calls. With the double-pair river, I'd probably check behind because a possible pair of 3s just got counterfeit. On a safer river, I might lean towards betting again.

But again, that's just me. I'd be curious to hear what other people have to say.

Redd · #8 07-03-2005, 02:11 PM

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If I get 3-bet, I probably cap the flop and fold to any further aggression on the turn, but that's just me.

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Do you expect Villain to 3-bet a flush draw often enough for you to cap it? I think if I were 3-bet, I'd be prepared to call and c/f the turn..

Moozh · #9 07-03-2005, 02:15 PM

I don't mind that either, but if you're going to stop after a 3-bet, you might as well fold it on the flop.

I guess it's worth calling if you think he'll 3-bet the flush on the flop and then check the turn when you call.