Crazy interesting hand with another 2+2er, 4/8 live

DeathDonkey · #1 09-03-2005, 03:15 AM

Good live 4/8 full kill game. 2+2er tehmatt is on my right and I have been threatening to 3 bet his raises since I perceive him as slightly too tight and foldable. So a few limpers, he raises in CO, I 3 bet on the button with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB calls, BB calls, EP calls, MP calls, tehmatt calls. 6 to the flop for ~20 sb.

Reads: SB is unknown but perceived as aggro. EP is sorta weak sorta too loose sorta TAG kid who looks scared of me. MP is loose and fairly aggro. tehmatt is tight and very straightforward.

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checked to MP who bets out, tehmatt calls, I call, SB checkraises, BB folds, EP calls two cold, MP calls, tehmatt calls, I call.

Turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB bets, EP calls, MP calls, tehmatt calls, I raise, everyone calls and EP is all in.

River is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] checked to tehmatt who bets, I call, SB calls, MP calls too.

Thoughts on my waiting until the turn? Anything I should do different anywhere? How did tehmatt play his hand, what did he have?

-DeathDonkey

synbad13 · #2 09-03-2005, 03:33 AM

This should be in SS forum. But I think you have to raise the flop. Your hand is WAY too vulnerable to be giving free cards. I don't think there's much question to it.

You may want to raise the river. I doubt someone has KQ, although it's possible. It may not be worth raising on the end, but it must be about an even to small +EV play.

irishpint · #3 09-03-2005, 03:36 AM

i think overcalls are great on the river

aK13 · #4 09-03-2005, 03:40 AM

I think tehmatt has KQ.

Where do u play DD?

PokerSparky · #5 09-03-2005, 03:40 AM

If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

I don't mind waiting till the turn to raise on this board. Your equity is going to change quite a bit with the turn card.

aK13 · #6 09-03-2005, 03:48 AM

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Why?

EDIT: I also think 3betting is a bad idea.

irishpint · #7 09-03-2005, 03:50 AM

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

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hopefully he means 3 bet it when it comes back around.

PokerSparky · #8 09-03-2005, 03:53 AM

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

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I think we'd like to see anyone holding a K or Q fold. If tehmat raises, there's a decent chance DD makes it three bets, which is a good thing here IMO. The pot is already large, and we want to do everything possible to win it.

Edit: I think we have enough equity here to make it a raise for value as well.

aK13 · #9 09-03-2005, 04:00 AM

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

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I think we'd like to see anyone holding a K or Q fold. If tehmat raises, there's a decent chance DD makes it three bets, which is a good thing here IMO. The pot is already large, and we want to do everything possible to win it.

Edit: I think we have enough equity here to make it a raise for value as well.

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QJ, QT, KJ, KT are not folding here. K3 and Q3 maybe. DD is not folding AK or better here. Spades aren't folding. I see very little reason to raise.

I also find a very little shot any Tx or Qx hands fold here.

PokerSparky · #10 09-03-2005, 04:06 AM

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

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I think we'd like to see anyone holding a K or Q fold. If tehmat raises, there's a decent chance DD makes it three bets, which is a good thing here IMO. The pot is already large, and we want to do everything possible to win it.

Edit: I think we have enough equity here to make it a raise for value as well.

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QJ, QT, KJ, KT are not folding here. K3 and Q3 maybe. DD is not folding AK or better here. Spades aren't folding. I see very little reason to raise.

I also find a very little shot any Tx or Qx hands fold here.

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I agree that QJ and KJ aren't folding, but i disagree that KT, Tx,QT, Qx would not fold here, especially if DD makes it 3 bets. I could be wrong. Depending on if tehmat held a spade, I think we'd like to see single spades fold as well.