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KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
No reads on Villain
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls. Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP1 folds. Turn: (4.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ?. I'm thinking maybe he has a set... did I let nightmares of a big hand keep me from re-raising? Regardless of what he showed down, he could have made a str8 although that's unlikely and I now beat other 2pair hands. I sure don't want to get 3bet What would you do on the end? |
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
Against an unknown, I just call the river bet & make a note on what he had. A turn check/raise usually means something big, and it's hard to imagine too many 2-pair hands on this board that a normal player would coldcall with preflop. The fact that you can't fold to a 3-bet also pushes me toward calling.
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
I'd just call on the end. The queen likely changes nothing.
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
I'm just calling. If we raise we are gonna pay off a three bet, to which we are certainly beat, which could very well happen here often enough to suck. This is definetly one of those situations where I want a cheap showdown after the turn CR(and CR bluffs at this limit on the turn are sooooo rare), and be sure to take note on what the villian turns up here
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
Interesting, I figured I would get a response or two in favor of raising.
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
I's don't be findin' a raise her...
On the turn our villain could have: -A set (3 x set threes, fours, sixes; one very unlikely set Ks; 9-10 total) -Two pair (18 versions of Ks up; 27 other kinds of two pairs) -A straight (16 versions of 75 and 16 versions of 52) -Other draws, pair + draw hands, etc... let's say we weight this at like 14 hands for normal players). Of the ~100 (neat how I did that, ehh...) we are now beating like 59 of them... BUT... which of these will call a river raise? Not all the draws! So now we are behind the 32 straights and the 10ish sets, and some number of pairish hands... It's close regardless but I don't think we get there. EDIT: particularly considering we're probably not folding to a three-bet and so we're risking more than 1 bet to win 1. |
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Re: KQo - Who\'s raising the river?
I'll be the first. I raise.
I see a lot of AKo here...tons of party players just cold call even in position with AKo, or I often see myself having sucked out on an ugly, ugly, two pair. The other benefit of raising (and I actually think this is a big reason) -- you probably won't get 3 bet, because even if villain has a set, he'll probably figure you rivered a set. |
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