I'd really like to just fold this somewhere, but ....

steveyz · #1 10-02-2005, 12:36 AM

Villian here is a 17/11/2 TAG regular

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BB raises,

What's the plan?

jayheaps · #2 10-02-2005, 12:39 AM

3-bet flop and reevaluateon turn.

NLSoldier · #3 10-02-2005, 01:23 AM

umm, you have 2 kings and the flop was undercards and you already are thinking about folding? are you by any chance a daytime regular at the mirage?

BarronVangorToth · #4 10-02-2005, 01:50 AM

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are you by any chance a daytime regular at the mirage?

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Man, when I read the original post, I thought the question was going to be whether you should 3-bet or check-raise the turn.

Certainly: don't fold.

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nummerfire · #5 10-02-2005, 02:04 AM

I do not understand these answers. isnt there a very real possibility that a 17/11 threbetting preflop only has AA-JJ in his range out of the BB.

And he continue putting pressure on on the flop. I would not fold, but i would go in call down mode.

mscags · #6 10-02-2005, 02:42 AM

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I do not understand these answers. isnt there a very real possibility that a 17/11 threbetting preflop only has AA-JJ in his range out of the BB.

And he continue putting pressure on on the flop. I would not fold, but i would go in call down mode.

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Lurker4 · #7 10-02-2005, 03:37 AM

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umm, you have 2 kings and the flop was undercards and you already are thinking about folding? are you by any chance a daytime regular at the mirage?

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What do you put TAG BB on w/this action? He 3-bet PF and Hero capped in a protected pot, so he knows Hero has a hand. BB's PF range is probably AA-99, AKs-AQs, AKo maybe AQo. I really don't think he's c/r'ing both Hero and CO on this flop w/TT-99, AKo, AKs except A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. so that makes the one other KK, A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AQo and AQs the hands that we are ahead of/tied with, and I think that's probably being optimistic, since BB might not 3-bet PF with AQo/s and I'm not sure BB is c/r'ing this flop w/KK and AQ since Hero capped and the only PF capping hands KK and AQ are ahead of here is AK and maybe TT. I'm not saying folding is the right play, but I don't think its as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

DeeJ · #8 10-02-2005, 06:11 AM

how come there's 4 players at the flop but only 3 are shown?

I guess I call down unimproved here. I don't like it tho [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

mc1023 · #9 10-02-2005, 07:33 AM

I would 3bet the flop here because of two reasons.

1) I want to kick CO out of the pot incase he has a hand like ATs and is clogging my two valueable outs incase I'm behind to BB.

2) Just to clearly define my hand to BB before I go into call-down mode.

I say 3bet the flop and if you get capped go into call-down mode unimproved.

BarronVangorToth · #10 10-02-2005, 08:11 AM

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I do not understand these answers. isnt there a very real possibility that a 17/11 threbetting preflop only has AA-JJ in his range out of the BB.

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I think the numbers would show differently if he would just make that play with those four hands.

I still advocate 3-betting and then seeing what happens.

This could be AQs.

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