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Old 06-23-2005, 04:58 PM
bilbo-san bilbo-san is offline
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Default Correct to peel one off looking for 2-outer?

9-handed B & M $3/$6. Typical loose table, 6 to a flop is standard, players cold-call pre-flop raises with the same hands they limp with. They go way too far with only small pieces of the flop -- The hand just prior to this, I lost with AK vs. 98o when he went all the way and rivered a 9 after the AK9 rainbow flop. I don't mean that as a bad beat whine, but merely to illustrate the loose post-flop play involved here.

Only specific read is that SB is a LAG/semi-maniac. I've seen him cap preflop with Q9o.

I am in the cutoff with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 4 limpers, I limp, button folds, SB raises, BB folds, everyone calls.

Flop (6.5 BB) 6 Players:
K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets, 4 calls.

I look again and make sure that I am holding the 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], so I have 2 outs, which means I need 22:1 pot odds to call, and I'm getting 18:1 closing the action. But, I reason that my implied odds are much better, since the better is on my left and there is every possibility I can trap some of the field with a turn raise. Worst case scenario is I get 2 BBs on the turn (he bets, everyone but me folds, I raise), and one on the river, which means my implied odds are 23:1 and I call. This may not be true because even when I hit the river will sometimes be a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] at least gives me a full, and the 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is my hand, so if I hit there are only 7, not 9, diamonds that kill me.

I'm wondering if the community here agrees with my logic or thinks I should fold this flop.

Thanks for the advice!
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Old 06-23-2005, 05:02 PM
imported_leader imported_leader is offline
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Default Re: Correct to peel one off looking for 2-outer?

18-1 closing the action and you got RR str8, but someone could hit a flush on the river. I think I'd peel one. Implied odds are big here with 5 players.
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Old 06-23-2005, 05:06 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: Correct to peel one off looking for 2-outer?

I think calling is fine here, pretty much for the reasons you gave.

Also, there is some chance that you have the best hand at this point, though I think usually you won't.

One other thing: If you do catch on the turn, you could go on to lose to a straight in addition to a flush. (I wouldn't be too surprised if someone had a wheel draw, for instance.)
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Old 06-23-2005, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: Correct to peel one off looking for 2-outer?

I like this call even more when you consider runner-runner straight possibilities.
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