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03-26-2005, 08:44 PM
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JJ hand, tossed on the turn
mucks 10-20. must move game. Great game. Lots of casual players who talk like wannabes.
I open with JJ, Folded to LP/button who 3 bets promptly. 2 to the flop. LP is a conservative guy. Passive in many ways. Flop: 9 high monotone. I don't have one. Check, bet, call Turn: some blank Check, bet, I fold. b 
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#2
03-26-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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[ QUOTE ] LP is a conservative guy. Passive in many ways. [/ QUOTE ] Mean he couldn't have AKo with the A of trump?
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#3
03-26-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
There no way he plays AK like this, especially given your flop check?
I bet out on the flop, especially if his calling, rather than raising, would indicate AK. You're making a very specific read, which I think is great if justified but pretty bad otherwise.
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#4
03-26-2005, 08:52 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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Mean he couldn't have AKo with the A of trump? [/ QUOTE ] He wouldn't have bet the turn with that hand. Big bets scare conservos if they don't have a made hand of some sort. b
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#5
03-26-2005, 08:55 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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I bet out on the flop, especially if his calling, rather than raising, would indicate AK. [/ QUOTE ] This player, like many others on the table, very likely might not actually 3 bet AK preflop. Especially into an EP raiser. This is w/o factoring in my image. Remember his description. [ QUOTE ] You're making a very specific read, which I think is great if justified but pretty bad otherwise [/ QUOTE ] This is one reason I love live play over online play. Though you can get this read online at times. b
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#6
03-26-2005, 08:58 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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He wouldn't have bet the turn with that hand. Big bets scare conservos if they don't have a made hand of some sort. b [/ QUOTE ] Would you say his range is AA-TT then?
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#7
03-26-2005, 10:15 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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Would you say his range is AA-TT then? [/ QUOTE ] Consider what a conservo/passive player is likely to 3 bet preflop with. You really think he'd do that with TT or AQ? b
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#8
03-26-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
This is a pretty read dependent play. If im on autopilot with my 4-6 tables, im not making this laydown...unless the guy has a pfr of 1% and ive got several hundred hands with him. But live you can easily make this laydown.
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#9
03-26-2005, 10:22 PM
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Re: JJ hand, tossed on the turn
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Consider what a conservo/passive player is likely to 3 bet preflop with. You really think he'd do that with TT or AQ? b [/ QUOTE ] AQ = NEVER! TT isn't unthinkable. But if you know his range of hands he would bet the turn with is QQ-AA, seems like an easy play, with only 1.5 outs.
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