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Old 03-12-2005, 09:14 PM
Under Control Under Control is offline
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Default Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

I know that, without card counting, blackjack is -EV but I'd like to prove it to a friend so if someone could get me a link I would appreciate it. Wrong forum I konw, but I figured I'd get a quick answer for this easy question here.
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Old 03-12-2005, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

http://www.wizardofodds.com/blackjac...alculator.html
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

You don't need a link. Go to Las Vegas. Look at all the lavish hotels and casinos. They didn't build those off players having +EV at blackjack.
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Old 03-13-2005, 01:25 AM
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Default Re: Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

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I know that, without card counting, blackjack is -EV but I'd like to prove it to a friend so if someone could get me a link I would appreciate it. Wrong forum I konw, but I figured I'd get a quick answer for this easy question here.

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A buddy of mine made 18 grand in three days playing blackjack at the $100 tables.

Instead of being kicked out and having his picture circulated around town, he was invited back for a week on the house.

Another way to put it is to ask your friend why casinos offer blackjack if it's -EV (for the casino).

Perhaps he watches the Travel Channel too much?
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Old 03-13-2005, 08:51 AM
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Default Why Blackjack is -EV?

The player always go first. When the player, acting first, busts, he loses. The dealer does not play out his hand to see if he would have busted also and call it a tie.

That's it. The player acting first and having the chance of busting before the dealer. Almost too simple, isn't it?
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: Why Blackjack is -EV?

But note that the player has many options that the dealer does not, that gives the player an advantage. Such as 3:2 on blackjack, doubling the bet, spliting a pair, stop taking cards before reaching 17. But the fact that the dealer goes second overcomes all these "advantages" that the player has. Hence the -EV for the player.
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Old 03-13-2005, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I know that, without card counting, blackjack is -EV but I'd like to prove it to a friend so if someone could get me a link I would appreciate it. Wrong forum I konw, but I figured I'd get a quick answer for this easy question here.

[/ QUOTE ]

A buddy of mine made 18 grand in three days playing blackjack at the $100 tables.

Instead of being kicked out and having his picture circulated around town, he was invited back for a week on the house.

Another way to put it is to ask your friend why casinos offer blackjack if it's -EV (for the casino).

Perhaps he watches the Travel Channel too much?

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i have a counting buddy too. he stayed for free wherever he wanted for 10 years. but then they busted him. now he can't stay at any of the big strip hotels. i guess your story kinda had sample size issues.
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Old 03-13-2005, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: Could someone get me a link on why blackjack is -EV?

As far as I know, the only way to rigorously prove that blackjack without counting is -EV and with counting is +EV is by means of computer simulations.
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