How badly did I play this AJ you pros please comment

Mizzles · #1 03-29-2005, 01:58 PM

Call, raise, or fold AJ from MP1 (with 3 folds in front of you) preflop?

Take the free card on the turn here?
Easy fold on the river?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

AviD · #2 03-29-2005, 02:21 PM

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Call, raise, or fold AJ from MP1 (with 3 folds in front of you) preflop?

Take the free card on the turn here?
Easy fold on the river?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

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Disclaimer: Not a pro

Easy openraise PF.
Bet the flop.
Check the turn, you are open ended now and that 8 is a good card for your draw but a bad card to bet. Could make alot of two pair connected hands, and you could already be way behind to a set, two pair, one pair, etc.

River call is strange, do you think SB is making a move on this board when there are quite a few hands that are likely and beat you. I'd say your A high vs another A high is probably best but I doubt you are againt A high here.

Prime reason to take the free card instead of paying 2BB in a small pot to have to fold the river. Calling the river you are giving up 3BBs in a hand you are probably losing 80%+ of the time, if not more.

That's just my .02.

nykenny · #3 03-29-2005, 02:31 PM

well put. i agree too.

GreywolfNYC · #4 03-29-2005, 04:12 PM

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Call, raise, or fold AJ from MP1 (with 3 folds in front of you) preflop?

Take the free card on the turn here?
Easy fold on the river?

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

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Disclaimer: Not a pro

Easy openraise PF.
Bet the flop.
Check the turn, you are open ended now and that 8 is a good card for your draw but a bad card to bet. Could make alot of two pair connected hands, and you could already be way behind to a set, two pair, one pair, etc.

River call is strange, do you think SB is making a move on this board when there are quite a few hands that are likely and beat you. I'd say your A high vs another A high is probably best but I doubt you are againt A high here.

Prime reason to take the free card instead of paying 2BB in a small pot to have to fold the river. Calling the river you are giving up 3BBs in a hand you are probably losing 80%+ of the time, if not more.

That's just my .02.

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Not a pro either, but this is exactly how I would have played it.

BigSkiRace · #5 03-29-2005, 02:26 PM

Im folding preflop...thoughts? If anything I would limp.

TStoneMBD · #6 03-29-2005, 02:32 PM

supermegaeasy preflop raise. there is no discussion here.

i think that most people here are just autocalling the river on draw heavy boards with ace high. im not sure if thats correct or not, but that appears to be the standard. i dont know what the semibluffing frequency is on pp15 because i dont play there, but your river call looks right to me.

you need to devise a plan once the turn comes. if you are intending to call a checkraise and pay off a river bet, then it is usually better to check the turn and call the river. you will save yourself money this way in the long run. if you have no intention of calling a river bet unimproved, then i feel that your hand is worth betting far more often.

its close, but i like the turn check without any player reads.

Ice · #7 03-29-2005, 10:09 PM

Tstone

I have a question about the turn.In general on the turn when you pick up the draw(more outs) arent you better off to check? Lets say the turn was a rag and you get raised you could lay your hand down.(i know this is player dependent)But when you pick up more outs you really don't want to lay your hand down.I guess what i am trying to say is doesn't boil down to check (call) with outs and bet (raise) with no outs.Thanks Ice

TStoneMBD · #8 03-29-2005, 10:35 PM

not always. in this case yes.

Ice · #9 03-29-2005, 10:58 PM

Thanks .Ice

BradL · #10 03-29-2005, 11:20 PM

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Im folding preflop...thoughts? If anything I would limp.

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Your joking right?

-Brad