Big hands, scary rivers

Scott_Baio · #1 05-20-2005, 07:29 PM

I'm recovering from a 20k losing/break even streak and I'm afraid I may be adjusting to it by playing too weak/tight...

here are a few examples:

HAND 1:
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (17 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero??? How many bets should I be willing to put in?

HAND 2:
Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets

Hero??? How many bets should I be willing to go here?

HAND 3:
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG folds, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises

Hero???

On all of these hands I slowed down and check/called... regardless of results, I'm afriad it's too passive and want some outside opinions... long downswings seem to cloud my judgement.

RiverTheNuts · #2 05-20-2005, 07:38 PM

Hand 1:
Lead and then call a raise, if he raises he probably has the goods, he should be just as scared as you are about the straight

Hand 2:
Cap this no question, if you run into AQ or AT then oh well, AK, QQ, TT are all more likely than him having the last ace and a queen or ten to go with it

Hand 3:
Flat call the raise, a FH or straight is very possible.. 25, A4, 56 all could play this hand like this, if I had to guess I would guess 56, maybe of clubs, unless he is tricky, but the fact that you cap the flop should tell him you have a 4 and being tricky is just costing him bets if he has a FH

damaniac · #3 05-20-2005, 07:48 PM

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Hero??? How many bets should I be willing to put in?

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As many as you can.

Actually, that doesn't sound that bad. He capped the flop. The only hand that beats you that would cap that flop (assuming villain is sane) is T9 of diamonds, maybe he capped with just diamonds, which doesn't beat you, MAYBE T9 not of diamonds, which beats you, but everything else (two pair, lower set, slowplayed rockets/kings) you pwn. At least bet/call.

Hand 2:
Well the only hands that beat you are AT/AQ. I'd ordinarily just cap the river against a non-rock, but his turn line is...confusing. You're certainly still raising, so if he 3-bets its call or cap. I like capping, I think he see AK/QQ often enough here. If he just called the turn raise with AQ (to be "tricky"), he'd do it with AK too, and since a Q is out, AK is somewhat more likely.

Hand 3 I don't mind calling the river raise. Your hand is basically face-up: I have trips (or better). Unless you've seen him go too far with hands postflop, you're not usually going to war all the way down with a worse 4, against a less aggressive player anyway.

private joker · #4 05-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Hand 1: I'd check-call. You're telling him you have a set and he's still capping the turn. He'd jam the flop with a hand like T9 of diamonds, which got there on the turn.

Hand 2: Go all the way. If he has AT or AQ, good for him -- but he has weaker hands more often.

Hand 3: Looks overplayed actually. He sees the pair of 4s on the board and doesn't seem worried about trips. You can actually fold to the river c/r, but a call is fine given the pot size.

P.S. I loved you in CHARLES IN CHARGE.

RiverTheNuts · #5 05-20-2005, 07:59 PM

No one even mentioned KJ diamonds for hand 2, which is possible

private joker · #6 05-20-2005, 08:03 PM

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No one even mentioned KJ diamonds for hand 2, which is possible

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Who cares about a flush? Hero has a boat.

toss · #7 05-20-2005, 08:15 PM

Hand 1: I'm check/calling that river. I fear T9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hand 2: I'd raise that river definitely. You have like 3rd nuts HU.

Hand 3: I'd make a crying call on that river. I think you got trapped for more bets than necessary.

RiverTheNuts · #8 05-20-2005, 08:16 PM

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No one even mentioned KJ diamonds for hand 2, which is possible

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Who cares about a flush? Hero has a boat.

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Exactly, even more reason to cap it