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Old 09-28-2005, 07:08 PM
jayheaps jayheaps is offline
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Default 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

7-handed as part of a mixed game.

Under the gun with KQ spades, folded to villian a very LAGGY player who plays very well post-flop. Having played against him much live however i know he is a winner in the Stars 100/200 game. We had played together a couple times, usually short-handed. I had been playing relatively tight lately (mostly in stud-- this was the 2nd hand in this round of holdem)

Villian isolates me on the button. I call.

Flop: Q J 7 (2 diamonds). I bet, he raises. I decide to just call. (and this is not because I think i dont have the best hand.

Turn: 9 diamonds. I bet. He raises. I call.

River: I check, He bets, I call.

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Old 09-28-2005, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

When I take this line, I usually wish I had folded to the river bet. But he's a lag so I call without even thinking about it. Then I wish I had folded when I see his AQ. Why do lags get dealt good hands too???

I'll be interested to read other's thoughts on this hand.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

seems standard to me, i take same line. fire
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

i def threebet this flop... keep the heat on and punish this autoraise.
rest of the hand looks ok... im not gonna say lay it down on the river bc i dont know this guy and you have TP so that may be a little too much.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

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i def threebet this flop... keep the heat on and punish this autoraise.

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I don't think that line is so good here. Hero has been playing very tight. 3 betting the flop and betting out turn might fold out a hand he is way ahead of, or if he's way behind costs him an extra 1/2 bet to get to showdown when turn raised like he was here.

The turn donk bet is cheaper and encourages all sorts of bad calldowns from the lag, maybe even a bluff/overplay raise on the turn as hopefully happened here.

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Old 09-28-2005, 07:43 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

oops. River was 7 of club.
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:33 PM
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my personal opinion, this lag maybe hold AdXd. He test your hand. If you held a Q, your bet was not enough.

it's my 2cent
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:00 PM
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I check. He thinks for a while and checks behind and says "Jacks no good". I show my queen and he mucked. Later, someone at the table saw him fold JT.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

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i def threebet this flop... keep the heat on and punish this autoraise.
rest of the hand looks ok... im not gonna say lay it down on the river bc i dont know this guy and you have TP so that may be a little too much.

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Against someone else, I definitely three-bet. I call was for a couple reason. One, I wanted to encourage more action on later streets, especially a turn bluff since I was pretty sure that his raise was more a sign of weakness than strength. Of all the possible hands I put him on, AQ was not one of them.

Of course this plan gets more complicated when the ultimate scare card comes on the turn.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: 80/160 Hand... standard play against a good LAGGGGY player

I like the play on all streets. Let him keep firing into you with what probably amounts to a semibluff. Villain is very capable of holding Adx, Kdx, possibly a ten. River is a good check, although with another non-LAGgy opponent I would value bet this.
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