Stars 10+1, Good Pushes?

#1 08-05-2005, 01:34 AM

These two pushes, busted me in a Stars 10+1, just want some input on them. I feel in both cases that I made the right pushes, just got beat on them.

Thanks.
(Edited out some nonsense)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

Hero (t1755)
BB (t4540)
UTG (t1720)
MP1 (t1295)
MP2 (t1180)
CO (t1815)
Button (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, MP1 raises to t300, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1755, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 calls t995 (All-In).

Flop: (t3150) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3150) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3150) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3150

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qs (two pair, kings and queens).
MP1 has Ks Qc (full house, kings full of tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins t2690. Hero wins t460. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t720)
UTG (t6585)
MP (t1620)
CO (t2540)
Button (t930)
SB (t1105)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t720, Button calls t520.

Flop: (t1490) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t1490) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t1490) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1490

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Tc (two pair, kings and tens).
Button has Qh Qs (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins t1490.

Burno · #2 08-05-2005, 01:50 AM

Hand one looks good, standard push.

Hand two may have some room for debate. A read on the button would be most helpful. I would probably just call his minraise and play the flop, since you probably don't have any fequity with your stack size.

I would also push more flops than I actually hit, in the hopes of moving him off bigger unpaired high cards that I'm behind. I'd be looking to push any flop without an ace, or one containing three low cards.

#3 08-05-2005, 01:55 AM

Yeah, I was deciding on either a call or push, but in all honesty I was at 7 BB, and a call puts me at 5BB, which doesnt give me much post flop either. If I miss, there is a liklihood he hit and I am left with an awful stack if I check/fold, or nothing if I do in fact push. If I hit, well same result as a push I guess.
No real read on villain at the time, pretty all over the place, and a min raise either meant he had his monster or mid PP on down. Therefore, my push may have had some fold equity depending on his holdings.

In any case, I figured I was in around the same spot calling or pushing here, only better case being I call and he completely misses flop after my post flop push.

Any other thoughts?

nWirb · #4 08-05-2005, 02:58 AM

I like the first hand, good push.

I don't like the second hand. I can't see villian folding to your push with any hand he is willing to minraise with and you are an underdog to A2-AK KJ-KQ 22-AA and even if he did this with something like QJs you are still only a 58% favourite.
I think calling here is pretty bad too.

I'd fold and push from the SB next hand instead.

lastchance · #5 08-05-2005, 03:07 AM

1. Shove.
2. I think stop and go is reasonable, but push preflop is probably slightly better.

#6 08-05-2005, 09:46 PM

I wasnt real sure PF If i wanted to play the stop n go or just push it in right there. I was pretty sure I was either even money or behind, but my stack was just so short....Im thinkin I may have made the wrong play but someone clarify for me?

GtrHtr · #7 08-06-2005, 12:12 AM

#8 08-06-2005, 01:30 AM

This is deep stack poker, you can afford to call and see a flop on the first hand. Second hand, probably have to push given stack sizes.