Matusow's forward chip movement -- call???

[UATrewqaz]

Had the guy he was up against protested and asked the dealer/floor to rule it a call they very well might have.

[Nick B.]

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Had the guy he was up against protested and asked the dealer/floor to rule it a call they very well might have.

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Which is the problem. If the guy calls the floor then he wants Mike to call. If the floor somehow rules that it isn't considered a call, mike can make an easy fold. If the guy says nothing then mike knows he doesn't want a call. It should have been to dealer's responsibility to say something, not the players.

[benkahuna]

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Had the guy he was up against protested and asked the dealer/floor to rule it a call they very well might have.

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Which is the problem. If the guy calls the floor then he wants Mike to call. If the floor somehow rules that it isn't considered a call, mike can make an easy fold. If the guy says nothing then mike knows he doesn't want a call. It should have been to dealer's responsibility to say something, not the players.

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Agreed. A smart player can reverse these expectations for floor calls to his advantage, however. I've done that before.

There is no way they should have shown that hand on TV. As someone said, next time you go to a tournament you're going to see all kinds of people pulling off the "pump fake call."
I can't comment on what should have happened, no idea how the casino rules, but they should have cut it off the TV.

[durron597]

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Last week in a WPF tourney at Foxwoods this happened on the first hand. I checked my cards right after the deal and put a 25 chip on them. When it was my turn to act, I pushed the chip off the cards, but forward not sideways and mucked.

The dealer says that's a call. They have a line but the chip got no where's near the line. I argued that it was obviously a fold and everyone at the table agreed with me but they all said that the instructions which I missed said if you move your chips forward of the cards it's a bet.

Since it was first hand and only a 25 chip they all let it slide.

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When I was at Foxwoods the dealer told me nobody cares about the line, if chips go in front of your cards then you've attempted to put them in the middle (whether it is a call or a raise).

Has anyone thought of the possibility that Matusow WANTED someone to freak out over his "chip-fake"?

I mean, it's not like he's new to poker or anything.

[cpitt398]

In NV this is not viewed as a call where I play but hear people complain that it is in Ca, etc.

[Myrtle]

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Last week in a WPF tourney at Foxwoods this happened on the first hand. I checked my cards right after the deal and put a 25 chip on them. When it was my turn to act, I pushed the chip off the cards, but forward not sideways and mucked.

The dealer says that's a call. They have a line but the chip got no where's near the line. I argued that it was obviously a fold and everyone at the table agreed with me but they all said that the instructions which I missed said if you move your chips forward of the cards it's a bet.

Since it was first hand and only a 25 chip they all let it slide.

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T......I'm sure that if you check with Mike Ward, what he will tell you is that the line is for posting blinds and placing calls/raises with the sole reason being that it is there so that the dealers can easily reach all chips in action........

It seems like the WSOP dealers were unable to call forward motion properly, too much commentary during the hand, or anything else right.

The only thing (en masse) we saw was dealers getting involved on times the F-word was used. I hope is from the editing work, I fear it is from poor experience.

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In NV this is not viewed as a call where I play but hear people complain that it is in Ca, etc.

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Go to Green Valley Ranch if you want to see it viewed as a call in NV. Their NL table is notorious already (only open for a couple months) for these types of calls.