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Old 10-31-2005, 04:45 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi everyone:

I was at the Wynn poker room earlier today and picked up a Bluff magazine. I couldn't notice that it had a Caro article that began as follows:

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In poker math is meaningless and psychology is paramount. There, I finally said it... and I'm glad. Each time I got close to uttering those words, I lost courage and choked back the sounds. Out came silence, only silence. What made me afraid to speak the truth? Oh, I guess it was mainly a couple poker people to whom mathematics is sacred. If you dare define the real power of psychology in poker or point out the limited role of mathematics in the heat of poker combat, they lash out publicly, insanely, desperately. The hate to hear it.

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I'm curious, does anyone know who he might be talking about? Obviously it can't be David or myself since Two Plus Two has published two poker psychology books with another one -- Poker Psychology Essays by Alan Schoonmaker -- on the way.

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Mason
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:09 AM
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mason, do you get the feeling he is joking? I dont see how he could be serious, but maybe I am giving him to much credit.
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:07 AM
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well he IS a MAD GENIUS
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Old 10-31-2005, 12:08 PM
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Hi Mason.

Sorry to go off the point here, but was just wondering when Dr Al's new book is coming out.

PJS
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:46 PM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi PJS:

Nothing is guaranteed since we are just beginning to work with the manuscript and our other printing requirements will also influence the publiction date, but my best guess is February.

Best wishes,
Mason
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Old 11-03-2005, 01:10 PM
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Does Caro even win at poker? I can't remember the last time I saw him deep in a tourney. He's obviously cashing in on teaching poker and not playing.

Indy
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Old 11-01-2005, 07:30 AM
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well he IS a MAD GENIUS

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He's needs to lay off the mad magic powder or whatever dust that has turned the man retarded. He is way off the mark and totally wrong. Sure psychology is pretty important at the high higher limits or against damn good players (levels of thinking, he-knows-u-know etc.)...but imo, that is built from a good foundation that are dependant on numbers/odds/probablilities..etc (also the many concepts that are important and found in many of the books u study).
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:13 PM
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well he IS a MAD GENIUS

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He's needs to lay off the mad magic powder or whatever dust that has turned the man retarded. He is way off the mark and totally wrong

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I wonder if he could be exaggerating to stir up controversy and make a point.

Naw, that would be crazy, just MAD. Even GENIUS perhaps.

But who are we kidding, I'm sure he's completely serious.

-g
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Old 10-31-2005, 08:42 AM
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Hi Mason,

As someone who has read virtually everything written by both Caro and 2+2 authors over the years, I really don't see how Caro can be referring to anyone other than you and David. When you reference Dr. Al's excellent book though, I believe that you are talking about psychology in a different manner than Caro. Dr. Al's book talks about differing psychological types of poker players and the mistakes that they make and how a TAG can exploit them if they are in fact making mistakes. However Caro is talking about psychologically manipulating opponents both in the game as a whole and during a particular hand. In fact in one of his essays he called psychology the field where money grows wild.

My own view is that full-handed limit poker is more about math, but that short-handed limit and big bet poker when confronting good players is mostly about psychology. Of course I mainly only play online now, but Caro has also talked a lot about how what you say on a live table can add to your earnings if done correctly in eliciting desired folds or calls.

So overall I would say his statement was too broad in not delineating which types of games and structures can be best exploited via mathematically correct moves or psychological ones.
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Old 11-04-2005, 06:08 PM
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Hi Mason,

As someone who has read virtually everything written by both Caro and 2+2 authors over the years, I really don't see how Caro can be referring to anyone other than you and David.

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Check the batteries in the old sarcasm detector, chief.
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